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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
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	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
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	Alexandre Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>,
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	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv7 13/18] mm: Drop fake head checks
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 13:49:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261027124917.GA2669272@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261027124716.GC2668804@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 01:47:17PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 12:31:09PM +0000, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 01:05:58PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > > > Writing this, I just realized that we have another option -- map the
> > > > shared tail page writable. A failing LOCK CMPXCHG writes back the value
> > > > it read, and the get never changes a zero refcount, so the race becomes
> > > > harmless. The cost is the protection: the page is shared by every
> > > > hugetlb folio of that order in the zone, so a stray write to any tail
> > > > silently corrupts all of them instead of oopsing.
> > > 
> > > Right. Without HVO we would just corrupt pages in the single folio (which is
> > > also not nice).
> > > 
> > > I'm also questioning whether we need this RO protection all the time active.
> > 
> > What do you have in mind? RO only under a debug option, or switching the
> > tail page to RO some time after the remap?
> > 
> > If it is the delay, a grace period alone does not close the race. We
> > would need rcu_read_lock() back around the get, and then it is the old
> > scheme with the wait taken off the allocation path.
> 
> So it used to be; back when Nick introduced try_get_page, that it was
> only allowed with IRQs disabled.
> 
> And looking at gup.c now, I see gup_fast_pgd_range() still has
> local_irq_save/restore around it.
> 
> So what do you need that rcu crud for?

Also; as long as the synchronize_rcu() only lives when a debug option is
on, that sounds like a win. Debug stuff has costs, news at 11 and all
that.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27 19:42 [PATCHv7 RESEND 00/17] mm: Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 01/18] mm: Move MAX_FOLIO_ORDER definition to mmzone.h Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 02/18] mm: Change the interface of prep_compound_tail() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 03/18] mm: Rename the 'compound_head' field in the 'struct page' to 'compound_info' Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 04/18] mm: Move set/clear_compound_head() next to compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 05/18] riscv/mm: Align vmemmap to maximal folio size Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-16 16:30   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 06/18] LoongArch/mm: " Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-16 16:31   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 07/18] mm: Rework compound_head() for power-of-2 sizeof(struct page) Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 08/18] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment for compound_info_has_mask() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-16 16:33   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 09/18] mm/hugetlb: Defer vmemmap population for bootmem hugepages Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-16 16:48   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17 11:28     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-17 12:47       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 10/18] mm/hugetlb: Refactor code around vmemmap_walk Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 11/18] x86/vdso: Undefine CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE_OPTIMIZE_VMEMMAP for vdso32 Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-16 16:49   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 12/18] mm/hugetlb: Remove fake head pages Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-03-05 10:39   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-16 17:01   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17 11:47   ` [PATCHv7.1 " Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 13/18] mm: Drop fake head checks Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-10-26 17:45   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-26 23:25     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-26 23:37       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-27 11:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 12:00           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27 12:05             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-27 12:31               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27 12:47                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 12:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-10-27 12:58                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-27 13:13                 ` Muchun Song
2026-10-27 13:35                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-27 14:03                     ` Muchun Song
2026-10-27 12:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-27 12:22               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-27 12:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 14/18] hugetlb: Remove VMEMMAP_SYNCHRONIZE_RCU Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 15/18] mm/hugetlb: Remove hugetlb_optimize_vmemmap_key static key Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 16/18] mm: Remove the branch from compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 17/18] hugetlb: Update vmemmap_dedup.rst Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-27 21:08   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-03-02  3:10   ` Muchun Song
2026-03-02 10:56   ` [PATCHv7.1 " Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-30  3:25     ` patchwork-bot+linux-riscv
2026-02-27 19:42 ` [PATCHv7 18/18] mm/slab: Use compound_head() in page_slab() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-02-28 23:01 ` [PATCHv7 RESEND 00/17] mm: Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Andrew Morton
2026-04-30  3:25 ` patchwork-bot+linux-riscv
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-02-02 15:56 [PATCHv6 " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-27 19:30 ` [PATCHv7 13/18] mm: Drop fake head checks Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-30  3:25   ` patchwork-bot+linux-riscv

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