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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com>,
	Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] x86/syscall: Dispatch via sys_call_table when Spectre v2 and BHI are off
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 11:49:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261029104938.GC1813469@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261029-syscall-table-dispatch-v1-1-bca9dbb886de@debian.org>

On Thu, Oct 29, 2026 at 03:27:23AM -0700, Breno Leitao wrote:
> Linus' commit 1e3ad78334a6 ("x86/syscall: Don't force use of indirect
> calls for system calls") dispatches system calls with a switch
> statement, so that syscall entry has no indirect branch for BHI to
> target.
> 
> As noted by Linus in the commit above, the compiler can either
> decide to generate an indirect jump, or just a series of conditional
> branches (which is more expensive).
> 
> With CONFIG_MITIGATION_RETPOLINE, clang emits no indirect jump, and the
> switch becomes a tree of compares and conditional branches. That code is
> built in, so a kernel booted with mitigations=off still walks the tree
> on every system call.
> 
> When neither the Spectre v2 nor the BHI mitigation is enabled, nothing in
> the kernel protects indirect branches, and the switch buys nothing. Use a
> static key to call through sys_call_table[] in that case.
> 
> The compiler emits that call through a retpoline thunk, which boot-time
> patching turns into a plain indirect call when retpolines are off.
> 
> On next-20261028 built with clang and booted with mitigations=off on a
> Xeon Gold 6138 at a fixed 2.0 GHz, perf bench syscall basic (getppid)
> and getpgid. Mean and standard deviation of 30 to 45 runs over 2 to 3
> boots, and kernel instructions and cycles per call from perf stat:
> 
>                          CPU_MITIGATIONS=n  =y              =y + patch
>   getppid()  ns          131.2 +- 0.2       134.1 +- 0.1    131.7 +- 0.4
>              insns/cyc   310 / 212.1        331 / 218.1     314 / 213.1
>   getpgid()  ns          129.8 +- 0.3       132.5 +- 0.2    130.0 +- 0.5
>              insns/cyc   302 / 209.4        323 / 214.1     306 / 209.8
> 
> Kernels that enable either mitigation keep the switch, behind one extra
> jump.
> 

Bah, this reminds me I still have these patches:

 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/peterz/queue.git/log/?h=x86/syscall

which make your patch impossible. The reason for not dispatching through
the syscall table is that syscall hijacking becomes a _LOT_ more
difficult.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-29 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-29 10:27 Breno Leitao
2026-10-29 10:49 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-10-29 12:30   ` Breno Leitao
2026-10-29 12:39     ` Peter Zijlstra

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