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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, dsterba@suse.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, terrelln@fb.com,
	tglx@kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, kas@kernel.org,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@surriel.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] x86/lib: Use REP MOVSB for large memcpy() on ERMS CPUs without FSRM
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 22:35:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261110223505.160ad6a3@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjXc16n7ppqhuCDXj3WZMiACupW63+BQh0x0OQFTBpf-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:59:02 -0800
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 at 12:18, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> >
> > On November 10, 2026 9:53:07 AM PST, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:  
> > >Let's not do that.
> > >
> > >Putting magic things like RET in alternatives is just a bad bad idea.
> > >
> > >               Linus  
> >
> > Why is that, *given that it is in assembly*?  
> 
> It's assembly, but it's assembly that potentially gets rewritten.
> objtool already knows about __x86_return_thunk being special (although
> I think it's the _target_, not the call site, it cares about).
> 
> I would like to not have magic in stuff that is in the alternatives
> section. We've had issues with relocations etc before.
> 
> That said, grepping a bit for this, it turns out we already seem to be
> doing that in memmove_64.S, although it was hidden from my first grep:
> 
>   #define CHECK_LEN     cmp $0x20, %rdx; jb 1f
>   #define MEMMOVE_BYTES movq %rdx, %rcx; rep movsb; RET
>   .Lmemmove_begin_forward:
>         ALTERNATIVE_2 __stringify(CHECK_LEN), \
>                       __stringify(CHECK_LEN; MEMMOVE_BYTES), X86_FEATURE_ERMS, \
>                       __stringify(MEMMOVE_BYTES), X86_FEATURE_FSRM
> 
> which is pretty disgusting. But I guess that train has passed..

Or no one has realised it ran straight through the buffers :-)
RET is likely to be a 5 byte jmp instruction.
One of the checks for letting it be replaced by 0xc3,(0xcc)*4 is (addr & 0x20).
That will be wrong for the alternatives (half the time) so a quarter
of the time the train will go straight through the buffers.

David

> 
>            Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-04 22:28 Usama Arif
2026-11-05  8:12 ` David Laight
2026-11-05 17:28   ` Usama Arif
2026-11-10 16:25 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-11-10 17:06   ` David Laight
2026-11-10 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-11-10 19:33   ` David Laight
2026-11-10 20:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-11-10 20:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-11-10 22:35       ` David Laight [this message]
2026-11-11  1:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-11-10 21:00     ` David Laight
2026-11-11  0:24       ` H. Peter Anvin

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