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From: Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Julian Sun <sunjunchao@bytedance.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] writeback: report a slow writeback wait once per timeout
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 09:23:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261113092319.f975912d92c98651@chrisdown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261110-writeback_stall_report-v2-4-9e0ed75074ca@debian.org>

Hi Breno,

Breno Leitao writes:
>The flusher only checks for progress between inodes, so the wakeups now
>land on the first inode boundary past the timeout, a bit more than a
>timeout apart. The hung task detector scans once per timeout, so it can
>catch the waiter between two wakeups.

This does happen in practice. With your null_blk setup and the timeout at
5 seconds, the waiter gets woken every 5.0 to 6.1 seconds. khungtaskd
reported sync as "blocked for more than 5 seconds" in one of five 40
second syncs with the default check interval, and twice in a single sync
with hung_task_check_interval_secs=1. With hung_task_panic set, that
panics a machine whose writeback is making progress. Stopping these
warnings is what 1888635532fb ("writeback: Wake up waiting tasks when
finishing the writeback of a chunk.") was for, so as Jan said, the wakeups
have to stay below the timeout.

>-	done->progress_stamp = jiffies;
>-	if (left && timeout && (waited_secs > timeout))
>+	if (left && timeout &&
>+	    time_after(jiffies, done->progress_stamp + timeout * HZ))

But this check can't stay as it is once that's done. progress_stamp is
reset on every wakeup, so if the flusher wakes the waiter every half
timeout, this is only true when a single inode holds up the flusher for
more than the other half. With the threshold in writeback_sb_inodes() put
back to timeout / 2 and the rest of this patch kept, the same test prints
no "has been waiting" reports at all, only the "waited N seconds" line
from patch 3. Going by the code, three quarters of the timeout would
mostly have the same problem.

The report_stamp you had in v1 keeps the reports apart without touching
the wakeups, so maybe go back to that and leave writeback_sb_inodes()
alone? That also gets rid of the duplicate from wait_event() checking
twice. With v1's report_stamp on top of patches 1-3, I get one report per
timeout and no hung task warnings.

Thanks!

Chris

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-11-13 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-10 11:39 [PATCH v2 0/4] writeback: make slow writeback report more actionable Breno Leitao
2026-11-10 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] writeback: add the missing newline to the slow writeback report Breno Leitao
2026-11-10 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] writeback: name the bdi in " Breno Leitao
2026-11-10 13:27   ` Jan Kara
2026-11-10 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] writeback: log the end of a slow writeback wait Breno Leitao
2026-11-10 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] writeback: report a slow writeback wait once per timeout Breno Leitao
2026-11-10 13:29   ` Jan Kara
2026-11-13 17:23   ` Chris Down [this message]

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