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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	DRI Development Mailing List  <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: is avoiding compat ioctls possible?
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:05:08 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21d7e9970910272005mbb268r7b16493a22ca275a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hbtkjkki.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> They used uint64_t to represent userspace pointers and userspace
>> casted into those and the kernel casts back out and passes it to copy_*_user
>
> uint64_t is actually dangerous due to different alignment on x86-32 vs 64,
> better use compat_u64/s64

We've designed that into a/c also, we pad all 64-bit values to 64-bit
alignment on all the
ioctls we've added to the drm in the past couple of years. Just because of
this particular insanity.

>
>> Now I thought cool I don't need to worry about compat ioctl hackery I can
>> run 32 on 64 bit apps fine and it'll all just work.
>>
>> Now Dave Miller points out that I'm obivously deluded and we really need
>> to add compat ioctls so that the kernel can truncate correctly 32-bit address
>> in case userspace shoves garbage into the top 32bits of the u64.
>
> When the user space sees a u64 field it should never shove garbage here.
> You just have to cast on 32bit for this, which is a bit ugly.
>
> However some architectures need special operations on compat pointers
> (s390 iirc), but if you don't support those it might be reasonable
> to not support that.
>
>> Is there really no way to avoid compat ioctls? was I delusional in
>> thinking there was?
>
> Experience shows that people make mistakes and you sooner or
> later need them anyways to work around them.
>

Assume no mistakes are made, new ioctls designed from scratch
and reviewed to do 32/64-bit properly. The s390 was something I didn't
know about but KMS on s390 is probably never going to be something
that sees the light of day.

I'm just amazed that compat_ioctl should be required for all new code.

DrNick on irc suggested just doing:
if (is_compat_task()) ptr &= 0x00000000FFFFFFFF;

Is there a one liner I can just do in the actual ioctls instead of
adding 20 compat
ones?

Dave.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-28  3:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-28  1:22 Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  2:25 ` David Miller
2009-10-28  3:01   ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  2:53 ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  3:05   ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2009-10-28  3:19     ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  3:28       ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  3:34         ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  3:43           ` David Miller
2009-10-28  3:41         ` David Miller
2009-10-28 21:05       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2009-10-29  8:27         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-28  3:38     ` David Miller
2009-10-28  3:43       ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  3:45         ` David Miller
2009-10-28  3:51           ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  3:54           ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  5:28             ` David Miller
2009-10-28  5:42               ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-28  6:04                 ` David Miller
2009-10-28  7:53                   ` David Miller
2009-10-28  7:59                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  8:11                       ` David Miller
2009-10-28  8:19                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  8:28                           ` David Miller
2009-10-28 12:13                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-28 12:16                       ` David Miller
2009-10-28 15:40                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-29  5:41                           ` David Miller
2009-10-29  8:16                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-29  8:34                             ` Heiko Carstens
2009-10-29  8:39                               ` David Miller
2009-10-28 12:17                       ` David Miller
2009-10-30  1:13                     ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-30 10:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-18  0:26                         ` Dave Airlie
2009-11-18  9:09                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-18 14:42                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-28  3:37   ` David Miller
2009-10-28  4:36     ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-28  5:29       ` David Miller
2009-10-28 10:27       ` Arnd Bergmann

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