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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 01:27:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2333255.ofrK1CRRL4@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1405071126340.1325-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:43:39 AM Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2014, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> We seem to be in agreement that this is the way you want to go...
> 
> > > All right.  Then this seems to be what you want:
> > > 
> > > 	For some devices, it's okay to remain in runtime suspend 
> > > 	throughout a complete system suspend/resume cycle (if the
> > > 	device was in runtime suspend at the start of the cycle).
> > > 	We would like to do this whenever possible, to avoid the
> > > 	overhead of extra power-up and power-down events.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > 	However, problems may arise because the device's descendants 
> > > 	may require it to be at full power at various points during 
> > > 	the cycle.  Therefore the only way to do this safely is if the 
> > > 	device _and_ all its descendants can remain runtime suspended 
> > > 	until the resume stage of system resume.
> > 
> > It may not be the only way, but it is *a* way to do this safely.
> > 
> > > 	To this end, introduce dev->power.leave_runtime_suspended.
> > > 	If a subsystem or driver sets this flag during the ->prepare()
> > > 	callback, and if the flag is set in all of the device's
> > > 	descendants, and if the device is still in runtime suspend when
> > > 	the ->suspend() callback would normally be invoked, then the PM
> > > 	core will not invoke the device's ->suspend(), 
> > > 	->suspend_late(), ->suspend_irq(), ->resume_irq(),
> > > 	->resume_early(), or ->resume() callbacks.  Instead, it will 
> > > 	invoke ->runtime_resume() during the resume stage of system
> > > 	resume.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > 	By setting this flag, a driver or subsystem tells the PM core
> > > 	that the device is runtime suspended, it is in a suitable state
> > > 	for system suspend (for example, the wakeup setting does not
> > > 	need to be changed), and it does not need to return to full
> > > 	power until the resume stage.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > Does that correctly describe what you want to do, the potential
> > > problems, and the proposed solution?
> > 
> > Almost.  Devices with power.ignore_children set are not covered by this.
> 
> I thought they were.  In what respect aren't they?  You mean because
> they can be runtime suspended while their children remain active?
> 
> I don't think that matters here.  Suppose a parent device's
> leave_runtime_suspended flag is set but one of its children isn't
> runtime suspended.  Then that child's leave_runtime_suspended flag
> won't be set, so the parent device won't meet the criterion for
> skipping the normal PM callbacks.
> 
> Or do you mean that a child might expect the parent to be at full power
> when the child is resumed (plus the fact that doing a runtime resume on
> the child will not automatically resume the parent)?  That doesn't
> matter either, because the PM core will do a runtime-resume of the
> parent before the child's ->runtime_resume() is called.

OK

> > > If so, then it appears the parent_needed flag is unnecessary.
> > 
> > Well, I can agree with that.  It wasn't there in my first patchset and I added
> > it kind of in the hope to be able to deal with the ignore_children devices
> > with the help of it.
> 
> Yeah.  I contributed to that, by not understanding exactly what you 
> were trying to accomplish.
> 
> > OK, I guess I need to prepare a new version without the parent_needed flag for
> > further discussion. :-)
> 
> Consider using the description above (or some variant of it) for the
> new Changelog.  IMNSHO it does a much better job of explaining the 
> patch than your original version.  :-)

Yes, it does and I actually used it with minor modifications. :-)

A refreshed series follows.  The reason why I still want pm_runtime_enabled_and_suspended()
is because a device's runtime suspend may (theoretically) complete after its ->prepare()
callback has been executed and I think it's better to avoid resuming it in that case
too if that's not necessary.

Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-07 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14 23:12 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to avoid executing suspend callbacks for devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-16 13:32   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-01-16 16:07     ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-15 13:57   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:50   ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: New flag to speed up suspend-resume of suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-18 12:59     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-02-18 13:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-19 17:01     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-20  1:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20  1:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20 17:03         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-24  0:00           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-24 19:36             ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25  0:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-25 17:08                 ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25 23:56                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 16:49                     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 21:44                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 22:17                         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 23:13                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-27 15:02                             ` Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:36                               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-24 22:37                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 21:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-01 23:15                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 23:36                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02  0:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 15:41                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 18:44                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-05-05  0:09                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-05 15:46                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-05-06  1:31                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-06 19:31                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07  0:36                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 15:43                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07 23:27                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2014-05-07 23:29                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08  7:49                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 10:53                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 10:59                                                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 11:44                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 12:25                                                                       ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 20:02                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:36                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 14:57                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 20:17                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:03                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:20                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 21:42                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:50                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:28                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices) Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  7:23                                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-09 11:33                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:42                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  1:52                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:49                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-11 16:46                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-13  0:51                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:08                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:48                                                               ` Kevin Hilman
2014-05-10  1:38                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-12 16:33                                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2014-05-07 23:31                                                             ` [Resend][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 23:33                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:59                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 19:40                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 16:12                                         ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:39                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-25 11:28                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-04-24 22:40                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:51   ` [PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:52   ` [PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki

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