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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 07/37] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2026 20:39:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2475e4c4-9ba3-4091-9bfd-1c1c15163da7@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AEB19464-20A9-4C5B-97B8-681CCDD81031@nvidia.com>

On 6/8/26 17:27, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2026, at 7:08, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> 
>> On 6/8/26 12:23, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
>>> I noticed this patch, again, sneaks in some additional code changes that
>>> are not mentioned in the commit message and seem irrelevant to the patch.
>>>
>>> Not sure if the AI is doing this, but please don't do that.
>>>
>>>
>>> This feels like very weak justification for code that massively changes mm
>>> code and makes it all much worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this the only relevant code path? You're changing a TON of code here
>>> that will have multiple different code paths?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ugh god, so now we're passing a user address through allocation paths that
>>> might not even be aware of this or be allocating memory at a point when the
>>> mapping is known?
>>
>> The original ideas was to do this only with internal interfaces. I think I
>> raised before to leave hugetlb alone for now.
>>
>> Fundamentally, user_alloc_needs_zeroing() is something we should get rid of, to
>> just be able use __GFP_ZERO and do zeroing at exactly one place.
> 
> Just a reminder that user_alloc_needs_zeroing() not only checks init_on_alloc,
> but also some arc clearing page requirements. To do zeroing in one place,
> clear_page() used in post_alloc_hook() will need to learn how to handle
> arch-specific zeroing from clear_user_page()/clear_user_highpage().

Right.

> 
>>
>>
>> The question is how to pass that information (user_addr) through internal APIs.
> 
> Or should we defer zeroing after a page is returned from allocator? So that
> user_addr does not need to be passed through irrelevant allocation APIs.
> Something like:
> 
> alloc_page_wrapper(gfp, order, user_addr)
> {
> 	page = alloc_pages();
> 	if (gfp & __GFP_ZERO)
> 		clear_page(page);
> }
> 

Not really sure what's best here. I think we'd want to limit the lifting to some
internal API, so it cannot easily be messed up by random kernel code calling
into the wrong API and not getting pages cleared.

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-08 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-08  8:33 [PATCH v10 00/37] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 01/37] mm: mempolicy: fix interleave index calculation Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 02/37] mm: memory-failure: serialize TestSetPageHWPoison with zone->lock Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 13:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:14       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 20:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 16:20       ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 03/37] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 04/37] mm: page_reporting: allow driver to set batch capacity Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:34 ` [PATCH v10 05/37] mm: hugetlb: remove dead alloc_hugetlb_folio stub Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:56   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 06/37] mm: move vma_alloc_folio_noprof to page_alloc.c Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 07/37] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 11:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 13:04       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 13:09         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 14:26           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:31             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 14:37               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:44                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 14:55                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-09  9:54                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 19:33                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 19:59         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:21           ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:40               ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 21:04                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 21:16                   ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 21:51                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 22:28                       ` Gregory Price
2026-06-22 14:25                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 11:08     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 15:27       ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 18:39         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-08 19:43           ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 19:52             ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:25               ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:37                 ` Zi Yan
2026-06-08 20:56                   ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 21:03                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 08/37] mm: add alloc_contig_frozen_pages_user " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:35 ` [PATCH v10 09/37] mm: hugetlb: thread user_addr through gigantic page allocation Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 10/37] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:12   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 11/37] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 12/37] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 15:53     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 19:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:16         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 20:53             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 21:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 21:33                 ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 21:46                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 21:53                     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 19:42     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:36 ` [PATCH v10 13/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 10:39   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 10:55     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 14/37] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 15/37] mm: alloc_anon_folio: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:35   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 16/37] mm: alloc_swap_folio: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:37   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 15:59     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 20:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:37 ` [PATCH v10 17/37] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 16:09     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 18:40       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 19:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 18/37] mm: page_alloc: use aliasing checks instead of user_alloc_needs_zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:39   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 19/37] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 20/37] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 21/37] mm: page_alloc: propagate PG_zeroed in split_large_buddy Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 22/37] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 23/37] mm: page_alloc: skip kernel_init_pages for FPI_ZEROED when safe Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:18   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:38 ` [PATCH v10 24/37] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 14:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:28         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08 19:58           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 25/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 26/37] mm: vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd: pass raw fault address to vma_alloc_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:30   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 27/37] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:32   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 28/37] mm: hugetlb: add gfp parameter and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 29/37] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 12:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 30/37] mm: page_reporting: add per-page zeroed bitmap for host feedback Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:39 ` [PATCH v10 31/37] virtio_balloon: submit reported pages as individual buffers Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 32/37] virtio_balloon: disable indirect descriptors Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 33/37] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 34/37] virtio_balloon: skip zeroing for host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 35/37] virtio_balloon: disable reporting zeroed optimization for confidential guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 36/37] mm: balloon: use put_page_zeroed for zeroed balloon pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 11:10   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-08  8:40 ` [PATCH v10 37/37] virtio_balloon: implement VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEVICE_INIT_ON_INFLATE Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08  9:17 ` [PATCH v10 00/37] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed pages Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 12:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 11:02 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-08 11:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-08 15:45     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-08 17:50       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-08 19:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-08 14:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-08 20:02   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-09  3:58 ` New design Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-09  6:18   ` Gregory Price
2026-06-09  8:06   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-09 10:04     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-09  8:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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