From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Ionela.Voinescu@arm.com, Lukasz.Luba@arm.com,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/topology: Remove EM_MAX_COMPLEXITY limit
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 14:19:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <257c43fb-0fb5-959a-788c-3c4a14b188dc@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220812101620.627838-1-pierre.gondois@arm.com>
On 12/08/2022 12:16, Pierre Gondois wrote:
> From: Pierre Gondois <Pierre.Gondois@arm.com>
[...]
> find_energy_efficient_cpu() (feec) is now doing:
> feec()
> \_ for_each_pd(pd) [0]
> // get max_spare_cap_cpu and compute_prev_delta
> \_ for_each_cpu(pd) [1]
>
> \_ get_pd_busy_time(pd) [2]
> \_ for_each_cpu(pd)
>
> // evaluate pd energy without the task
> \_ get_pd_max_util(pd, -1) [3.0]
> \_ for_each_cpu(pd)
> \_ compute_energy(pd, -1)
> \_ for_each_ps(pd)
>
> // evaluate pd energy with the task on prev_cpu
> \_ get_pd_max_util(pd, prev_cpu) [3.1]
> \_ for_each_cpu(pd)
> \_ compute_energy(pd, prev_cpu)
> \_ for_each_ps(pd)
>
> // evaluate pd energy with the task on max_spare_cap_cpu
> \_ get_pd_max_util(pd, max_spare_cap_cpu) [3.2]
> \_ for_each_cpu(pd)
> \_ compute_energy(pd, max_spare_cap_cpu)
> \_ for_each_ps(pd)
>
> [3.1] happens only once since prev_cpu is unique. To have an upper
> bound of the complexity, [3.1] is taken into account for all pds.
> So with the same definitions for nr_pd, nr_cpus and nr_ps,
> the complexity is of:
> nr_pd * (2 * [nr_cpus in pd] + 3 * ([nr_cpus in pd] + [nr_ps in pd]))
> [0] * ( [1] + [2] + [3.0] + [3.1] + [3.2] )
> = 5 * nr_cpus + 3 * nr_ps
>
> The complexity limit was set to 2048 in:
> commit b68a4c0dba3b1 ("sched/topology: Disable EAS on inappropriate
> platforms")
> to make "EAS usable up to 16 CPUs with per-CPU DVFS and less than 8
> performance states each". For the same platform, the complexity would
> actually be of:
> 5 * 16 + 3 * 7 = 101
This is somewhat hard to grasp.
Example: 16 CPUs w/ per-CPU DVFS and < 8 performance states (OPPs) each
C : Complexity
Nc : #CPUs in system
Ns : Sum of PSs (Performance States) over all PDs
Nd : #PDs
Nc' : #CPUs in PD
Ns' : #PSs in PD
(1) Currently we have:
C = Nd * (Nc + Ns)
Nc = 16, Nd = 16, Ns = 16 * 7
C = 16 * (16 + 16 * 7)
= 2048
(2) Your new formula is:
Nc' = 1, Ns' = 7
C = Nd * (2 * Nc' + 3 * (Nc' + Ns'))
= Nd * (5 * Nc' + 3 * Ns')
= 16 * (5 * 1 + 3 * 7)
= 416
= 5 * Nc + 3 * Ns
I would update the example and leave C ~ at 2048.
> Since the EAS complexity was greatly reduced, bigger platforms can
> handle EAS. For instance, a platform with 256 CPUs with 256
> performance states each would reach it. To reflect this improvement,
> remove the EAS complexity check.
>
> Signed-off-by: Pierre Gondois <Pierre.Gondois@arm.com>
We should definitely align feec()'s implementation with the EM
complexity check and documentation. I would suggest that we keep both in
place but we update them.
> ---
> Documentation/scheduler/sched-energy.rst | 37 ++--------------------
> kernel/sched/topology.c | 39 ++----------------------
> 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 70 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/scheduler/sched-energy.rst b/Documentation/scheduler/sched-energy.rst
> index 8fbce5e767d9..3d1d71134d16 100644
> --- a/Documentation/scheduler/sched-energy.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/scheduler/sched-energy.rst
> @@ -356,38 +356,7 @@ placement. For EAS it doesn't matter whether the EM power values are expressed
> in milli-Watts or in an 'abstract scale'.
>
>
> -6.3 - Energy Model complexity
> -^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> -
> -The task wake-up path is very latency-sensitive. When the EM of a platform is
> -too complex (too many CPUs, too many performance domains, too many performance
> -states, ...), the cost of using it in the wake-up path can become prohibitive.
> -The energy-aware wake-up algorithm has a complexity of:
> -
> - C = Nd * (Nc + Ns)
> -
> -with: Nd the number of performance domains; Nc the number of CPUs; and Ns the
> -total number of OPPs (ex: for two perf. domains with 4 OPPs each, Ns = 8).
> -
> -A complexity check is performed at the root domain level, when scheduling
> -domains are built. EAS will not start on a root domain if its C happens to be
> -higher than the completely arbitrary EM_MAX_COMPLEXITY threshold (2048 at the
> -time of writing).
> -
> -If you really want to use EAS but the complexity of your platform's Energy
> -Model is too high to be used with a single root domain, you're left with only
> -two possible options:
> -
> - 1. split your system into separate, smaller, root domains using exclusive
> - cpusets and enable EAS locally on each of them. This option has the
> - benefit to work out of the box but the drawback of preventing load
> - balance between root domains, which can result in an unbalanced system
> - overall;
> - 2. submit patches to reduce the complexity of the EAS wake-up algorithm,
> - hence enabling it to cope with larger EMs in reasonable time.
> -
> -
I see value in this paragraph. Obviously it has to match the actual
feec() implementation.
[...]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-18 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-12 10:16 Pierre Gondois
2022-08-17 14:21 ` Ionela Voinescu
2022-08-17 15:03 ` Pierre Gondois
2022-08-18 12:19 ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2022-10-26 12:23 ` Lukasz Luba
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