From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9519AC83F3E for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 07:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232609AbjICHlv (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:41:51 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:58106 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231276AbjICHlu (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:41:50 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [IPv6:2607:fcd0:100:8a00::2]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15DA0124; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 00:41:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1693726905; bh=iv1pLLc+v8+kime8HKgyY+vHVntfdfZAs7FRY9OE20I=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hBOHXo9TLbOATfk0TiEL83BU5xf4IrWX9OpF0NI8y57gn2kNZM/AkvHYI6yuKfWIu hoYJWDlBCAf3+BTbvd6gYE6HXTO+ORtmUHGulDBzW7BojMD3WpPTWU+UzMhhMIqSfp TozoRFHnsjS0juiZVaJiXr3RDwijnIUZTpbVkvzY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5A9128178D; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnRfFe011lwK; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:41:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1693726905; bh=iv1pLLc+v8+kime8HKgyY+vHVntfdfZAs7FRY9OE20I=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hBOHXo9TLbOATfk0TiEL83BU5xf4IrWX9OpF0NI8y57gn2kNZM/AkvHYI6yuKfWIu hoYJWDlBCAf3+BTbvd6gYE6HXTO+ORtmUHGulDBzW7BojMD3WpPTWU+UzMhhMIqSfp TozoRFHnsjS0juiZVaJiXr3RDwijnIUZTpbVkvzY= Received: from [IPv6:2a00:23c8:1005:a801:e95:68ca:9caa:7c8c] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:23c8:1005:a801:e95:68ca:9caa:7c8c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D9811280E00; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2740c0e76e3feffbd43956d342c1805082396c99.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] first round of SCSI updates for the 6.4+ merge window From: James Bottomley To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Andrew Morton , linux-scsi , linux-kernel Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 08:41:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <6908480e8808a2d025926f2ff1f9a2468d1b6bb9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2023-09-02 at 12:08 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sept 2023 at 00:39, James Bottomley > wrote: > > > > Updates to the usual drivers (ufs, lpfc, qla2xxx, mpi3mr, libsas) > > and the usual minor updates and bug fixes but no significant core > > changes. > > Removing 3000+ lines for UFS HPB support wasn't even worth > mentioning? Sorry, my bias is showing. I always thought HPB was a useless marketing feature and was against including it, so removing it is just the world going back to being more correct. To be honest, I also didn't think you cared at all about UFS ... > I am happy to see it gone, and maybe as a technology it was a failure > not worth it, but as a "we gave up on it as being worthless" might > still have been worth a word or two.. > > Sadly, I see from the commit message that apparently the next stage > is going to involve zoned storage. Now *there* is a technology that > seems to be a complete failure, brought to us by the same kind of > failed hardware people who tried to convince us that we should care > about 64kB pages in SSD's. Well, we put HPB in in spite of most of us thinking it was a bad idea because there was a tiny chance it might work and it could be yanked out if it didn't. There's no reason not to extend the same courtesy to zoned storage. > Oh well. With enough thrust, even a pig will fly. I suspect that's > the motivating factor behind all those zoned storage things too. That's why RFC1925 exists, yes ... James