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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/5] tracing/bpf-trace: Add support for faultable tracepoints
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 13:22:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <279860b4-2f42-463f-bee2-c6c60ec72f29@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzbS0TRN1vPzPtSZj+XN7oVUUwyoxHr5p7igH8X-nhZhGw@mail.gmail.com>

On 2024-09-09 12:53, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 8:11 AM Mathieu Desnoyers
[...]
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be better to just do this, instead of that
>>> preempt guard. I think we don't strictly need preemption to be
>>> disabled, we just need to stay on the same CPU, just like we do that
>>> for many other program types.
>>
>> I'm worried about introducing any kind of subtle synchronization
>> change in this series, and moving from preempt-off to migrate-disable
>> definitely falls under that umbrella.
>>
>> I would recommend auditing all uses of this_cpu_*() APIs to make sure
>> accesses to per-cpu data structures are using atomics and not just using
>> operations that expect use of preempt-off to prevent concurrent threads
>> from updating to the per-cpu data concurrently.
>>
>> So what you are suggesting may be a good idea, but I prefer to leave
>> this kind of change to a separate bpf-specific series, and I would
>> leave this work to someone who knows more about ebpf than me.
>>
> 
> Yeah, that's ok. migrate_disable() switch is probably going a bit too
> far too fast, but I think we should just add
> preempt_disable/preempt_enable inside __bpf_trace_run() instead of
> leaving it inside those hard to find and follow tracepoint macros. So
> maybe you can just pass a bool into __bpf_trace_run() and do preempt
> guard (or explicit disable/enable) there?
> 

Passing an extra boolean to __bpf_trace_run would impact all tracepoints
calling into ebpf, adding an extra function argument and extra tests for
all of those. The impact may be small, but it is non-zero in both code size
and overhead, so it would not be my preferred approach.

I have modified the macros to add the guard within __bpf_trace_##call
following suggestions from Linus:

   https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wggDLDeTKbhb5hh--x=-DQd69v41137M72m6NOTmbD-cw@mail.gmail.com/

I'll Cc you on that version of the series.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-09 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-28 14:41 [PATCH v6 0/5] Faultable Tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-08-28 14:41 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] tracing: Introduce faultable tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-08-28 14:41 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] tracing/ftrace: Add support for " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-08-28 14:41 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] tracing/bpf-trace: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-05  1:21   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 15:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-09 16:53       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 17:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-09-09 20:13           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-28 14:41 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] tracing/perf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-08-28 14:41 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] tracing: Convert sys_enter/exit to " Mathieu Desnoyers

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