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From: Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, pabeni@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"Kaiyuan Zhang" <kaiyuanz@google.com>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/8] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 19:11:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28b65d3b-4df4-ce8b-00b6-abe565c0ab70@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izMR-FrTtCty8v29atAMor5FmzV_Ogk85H=gqGaJNvJnuA@mail.gmail.com>

On 2023/11/16 1:44, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 1:21 AM Yunsheng Lin <linyunsheng@huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2023/11/14 21:16, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 04:21:26AM -0800, Mina Almasry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually because you put the 'strtuct page for devmem' in
>>>> skb->bv_frag, the net stack will grab the 'struct page' for devmem
>>>> using skb_frag_page() then call things like page_address(), kmap,
>>>> get_page, put_page, etc, etc, etc.
>>>
>>> Yikes, please no. If net has its own struct page look alike it has to
>>> stay entirely inside net. A non-mm owned struct page should not be
>>> passed into mm calls. It is just way too hacky to be seriously
>>> considered :(
>>
>> Yes, that is something this patchset is trying to do, defining its own
>> struct page look alike for page pool to support devmem.
>>
>> struct page for devmem will not be called into the mm subsystem, so most
>> of the mm calls is avoided by calling into the devmem memory provider'
>> ops instead of calling mm calls.
>>
>> As far as I see for now, only page_ref_count(), page_is_pfmemalloc() and
>> PageTail() is called for devmem page, which should be easy to ensure that
>> those call for devmem page is consistent with the struct page owned by mm.
> 
> I'm not sure this is true. These 3 calls are just the calls you're
> aware of. In your proposal you're casting mirror pages into page* and
> releasing them into the net stack. You need to scrub the entire net
> stack for mm calls, i.e. all driver code and all skb_frag_page() call
> sites. Of the top of my head, the driver is probably calling
> page_address() and illegal_highdma() is calling PageHighMem(). TCP
> zerocopy receive is calling vm_insert_pages().

For net stack part, I believe your patch below is handling to aovid those
mm calls? I don't include it in this patchset as I thought it is obvious
that whatever the proposal is, we always need those checking.
Maybe we should have included it to avoid this kind of confusion.
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20231106024413.2801438-10-almasrymina@google.com/

For driver part, I was thinking if the driver supports devmem, it should check
that if it can call page_address() related call on a specific 'stuct page', or
maybe we should introduce a new helper to make it obvious?

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-16 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-13 13:00 [PATCH RFC 0/8] A possible proposal for intergating dmabuf to page pool Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] net: page_pool: factor out releasing DMA from releasing the page Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:42   ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-13 23:05     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-14  8:23       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-14 12:21         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-14 12:49           ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-14 12:58             ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-14 13:19               ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-14 15:41                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-15  9:29                   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-15 18:07                     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-15 19:05                       ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-16 11:12                         ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-16 11:30                           ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-14 13:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-15  6:46             ` Christian König
2023-11-15  9:21             ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-15 13:38               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-16 11:10                 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-16 15:31                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-15 17:44               ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-16 11:11                 ` Yunsheng Lin [this message]
2023-11-15 17:57               ` David Ahern
2023-11-16 11:12                 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-16 15:58                   ` David Ahern
2023-11-17 11:27                     ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-14 22:25         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-15  9:33           ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] skbuff: explicitize the semantics of skb_frag_fill_page_desc() Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] skbuff: remove compound_head() related function calling Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] skbuff: always try to do page pool frag reference counting Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] net: hns3: temp hack for hns3 to use dmabuf memory provider Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-13 13:00 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] net: temp hack for dmabuf page in __skb_datagram_iter() Yunsheng Lin

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