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From: Jason Garrett-Glaser <darkshikari@gmail.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: newidle balancing in NUMA domain?
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:24:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28f2fcbc0911240924r708202cdx8bc7b465d473f283@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091124063653.GB20981@wotan.suse.de>

> Quite a few being one test case, and on a program with a horrible
> parallelism design (rapid heavy weight forks to distribute small
> units of work).

> If x264 is declared dainbramaged, that's fine with me too.

We did multiple benchmarks using a thread pool and it did not help.
If you want to declare our app "braindamaged", feel free, but pooling
threads to avoid re-creation gave no benefit whatsoever.  If you think
the parallelism methodology is wrong as a whole, you're basically
saying that Linux shouldn't be used for video compression, because
this is the exact same threading model used by almost every single
video encoder ever made.  There are actually a few that use
slice-based threading, but those are actually even worse from your
perspective, because slice-based threading spawns mulitple threads PER
FRAME instead of one per frame.

Because of the inter-frame dependencies in video coding it is
impossible to efficiently get a granularity of more than one thread
per frame.  Pooling threads doesn't change the fact that you are
conceptually creating a thread for each frame--it just eliminates the
pthread_create call.  In theory you could do one thread per group of
frames, but that is completely unrealistic for real-time encoding
(e.g. streaming), requires a catastrophically large amount of memory,
makes it impossible to track the bit buffer, and all other sorts of
bad stuff.

Jason Garrett-Glaser

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 11:22 Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 11:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-23 11:43   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 11:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-23 12:16       ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 11:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-23 12:01     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 12:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-23 12:27         ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 12:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-24  6:36             ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 17:24               ` Jason Garrett-Glaser [this message]
2009-11-24 18:09                 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-30  8:19                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-12-01  8:18                   ` Jason Garrett-Glaser
2009-11-23 14:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-23 15:11   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 15:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-23 15:29       ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 15:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-24  6:54           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 15:53         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-24  6:53           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24  8:40             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-24  8:58               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-24  9:11                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30  8:27                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-23 17:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-24  6:59           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24  9:16             ` Ingo Molnar

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