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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Marc Kleine-Budde" <mkl@pengutronix.de>,
	"Stefan Kerkmann" <s.kerkmann@pengutronix.de>
Cc: "Ian Rogers" <irogers@google.com>,
	"James E . J . Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	"Helge Deller" <deller@gmx.de>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Vincenzo Frascino" <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric Biggers" <ebiggers@google.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: [Regression] [PATCH v5 2/4] vdso: Switch get/put unaligned from packed struct to memcpy
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2026 12:59:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2f6094ff-f585-4b8b-8c25-20c11d1bfc7d@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261006-dynamic-succinct-woodpecker-a36c7f-mkl@pengutronix.de>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2026, at 14:31, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote:
> Cc+ Arnd

Thanks for the Cc!

> On 28.09.2026 17:39:15, Stefan Kerkmann wrote:
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> On 10/16/25 22:51, Ian Rogers wrote:
>> > Type punning is necessary for get/put unaligned but the use of a
>> > packed struct violates strict aliasing rules, requiring
>> > -fno-strict-aliasing to be passed to the C compiler. Switch to using
>> > memcpy so that -fno-strict-aliasing isn't necessary.
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
>> > ---
>
>> Is this an accepted trade-off? My understanding is that the kernel is always
>> built with -fno-strict-aliasing, so the packed-struct type punning was well
>> defined there, and the __packed annotation is what lets GCC generate valid
>> code for the unaligned access.

The previous upstream version was the result of endless discussions, and it
looks like changing it to the memcpy version was premature. At the time we
unified all architectures to use a common implentation, this was the only one
that resulted in correct and fast code on all architectures, so I don't
understand why this was just applied without including everyone who was
involved in coming up with the version that was replaced.

My feeling is that we should just revert this. I'm not sure about the
motivation for the change. It sounds like this was meant to be
used in userland code, and that clashed with assumptions we make
in the kernel, but I don't think that is sufficient reason for
regressing kernel code.

       Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-07 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-16 20:51 [PATCH v5 0/4] Switch get/put unaligned to use memcpy Ian Rogers
2025-10-16 20:51 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] parisc: Inline a type punning version of get_unaligned_le32 Ian Rogers
2026-01-13 13:47   ` [tip: timers/vdso] parisc: Inline a type punning version of get_unaligned_le32() tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2026-01-14  8:01   ` tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2025-10-16 20:51 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] vdso: Switch get/put unaligned from packed struct to memcpy Ian Rogers
2025-10-19 17:24   ` David Laight
2026-01-13 13:47   ` [tip: timers/vdso] vdso: Switch get/put_unaligned() from packed struct to memcpy() tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2026-01-14  8:01   ` tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2026-09-28 15:39   ` [Regression] [PATCH v5 2/4] vdso: Switch get/put unaligned from packed struct to memcpy Stefan Kerkmann
2026-09-28 15:58     ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-06 12:31     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2026-10-07 10:59       ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2026-10-09 21:28         ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-10 10:26           ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-10-10 12:20             ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-10 14:06           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-10-10 15:04             ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-19 12:37               ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2026-10-19 15:10                 ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-19 16:27                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-10-19 17:04                     ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-19 21:00                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-10-19 21:14                         ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-19 22:05                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-10-20 16:21                             ` Ian Rogers
2026-10-20 19:27                               ` David Laight
2026-10-20 21:20                                 ` David Laight
2026-10-20  8:36                     ` David Laight
2026-10-20  8:41                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-10-20 10:01                         ` David Laight
2025-10-16 20:51 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] tools headers: Update the linux/unaligned.h copy with the kernel sources Ian Rogers
2026-01-13 13:47   ` [tip: timers/vdso] " tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2026-01-14  8:01   ` tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2025-10-16 20:51 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] tools headers: Remove unneeded ignoring of warnings in unaligned.h Ian Rogers
2026-01-13 13:47   ` [tip: timers/vdso] " tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers
2026-01-14  8:01   ` tip-bot2 for Ian Rogers

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