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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: single copy atomicity for double load/stores on 32-bit systems
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 11:22:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2fd3a455-6267-5d21-c530-41964a4f6ce9@synopsys.com> (raw)

Hi Peter,

Had an interesting lunch time discussion with our hardware architects pertinent to
"minimal guarantees expected of a CPU" section of memory-barriers.txt


|  (*) These guarantees apply only to properly aligned and sized scalar
|     variables.  "Properly sized" currently means variables that are
|     the same size as "char", "short", "int" and "long".  "Properly
|     aligned" means the natural alignment, thus no constraints for
|     "char", two-byte alignment for "short", four-byte alignment for
|     "int", and either four-byte or eight-byte alignment for "long",
|     on 32-bit and 64-bit systems, respectively.


I'm not sure how to interpret "natural alignment" for the case of double
load/stores on 32-bit systems where the hardware and ABI allow for 4 byte
alignment (ARCv2 LDD/STD, ARM LDRD/STRD ....)

I presume (and the question) that lkmm doesn't expect such 8 byte load/stores to
be atomic unless 8-byte aligned

ARMv7 arch ref manual seems to confirm this. Quoting

| LDM, LDC, LDC2, LDRD, STM, STC, STC2, STRD, PUSH, POP, RFE, SRS, VLDM, VLDR,
| VSTM, and VSTR instructions are executed as a sequence of word-aligned word
| accesses. Each 32-bit word access is guaranteed to be single-copy atomic. A
| subsequence of two or more word accesses from the sequence might not exhibit
| single-copy atomicity

While it seems reasonable form hardware pov to not implement such atomicity by
default it seems there's an additional burden on application writers. They could
be happily using a lockless algorithm with just a shared flag between 2 threads
w/o need for any explicit synchronization. But upgrade to a new compiler which
aggressively "packs" struct rendering long long 32-bit aligned (vs. 64-bit before)
causing the code to suddenly stop working. Is the onus on them to declare such
memory as c11 atomic or some such.

Thx,
-Vineet

             reply	other threads:[~2019-05-30 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-30 18:22 Vineet Gupta [this message]
2019-05-30 18:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-05-30 19:16   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-31  8:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-31  8:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-31  8:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-03 18:08   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-06-03 20:13     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 21:59       ` Vineet Gupta
2019-06-04  7:41       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-06  9:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  9:53           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-06 16:34           ` David Laight
2019-06-06 21:17             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 18:43   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-07-01 20:05   ` Vineet Gupta
2019-07-02 10:46     ` Will Deacon
2019-05-31  9:41 ` David Laight
2019-05-31 11:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 18:44   ` Vineet Gupta

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