From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: single copy atomicity for double load/stores on 32-bit systems
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 11:22:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2fd3a455-6267-5d21-c530-41964a4f6ce9@synopsys.com> (raw)
Hi Peter,
Had an interesting lunch time discussion with our hardware architects pertinent to
"minimal guarantees expected of a CPU" section of memory-barriers.txt
| (*) These guarantees apply only to properly aligned and sized scalar
| variables. "Properly sized" currently means variables that are
| the same size as "char", "short", "int" and "long". "Properly
| aligned" means the natural alignment, thus no constraints for
| "char", two-byte alignment for "short", four-byte alignment for
| "int", and either four-byte or eight-byte alignment for "long",
| on 32-bit and 64-bit systems, respectively.
I'm not sure how to interpret "natural alignment" for the case of double
load/stores on 32-bit systems where the hardware and ABI allow for 4 byte
alignment (ARCv2 LDD/STD, ARM LDRD/STRD ....)
I presume (and the question) that lkmm doesn't expect such 8 byte load/stores to
be atomic unless 8-byte aligned
ARMv7 arch ref manual seems to confirm this. Quoting
| LDM, LDC, LDC2, LDRD, STM, STC, STC2, STRD, PUSH, POP, RFE, SRS, VLDM, VLDR,
| VSTM, and VSTR instructions are executed as a sequence of word-aligned word
| accesses. Each 32-bit word access is guaranteed to be single-copy atomic. A
| subsequence of two or more word accesses from the sequence might not exhibit
| single-copy atomicity
While it seems reasonable form hardware pov to not implement such atomicity by
default it seems there's an additional burden on application writers. They could
be happily using a lockless algorithm with just a shared flag between 2 threads
w/o need for any explicit synchronization. But upgrade to a new compiler which
aggressively "packs" struct rendering long long 32-bit aligned (vs. 64-bit before)
causing the code to suddenly stop working. Is the onus on them to declare such
memory as c11 atomic or some such.
Thx,
-Vineet
next reply other threads:[~2019-05-30 18:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-05-30 18:22 Vineet Gupta [this message]
2019-05-30 18:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-05-30 19:16 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-05-31 8:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-31 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-31 8:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-03 18:08 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-06-03 20:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 21:59 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-06-04 7:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-06 9:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06 9:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-06 16:34 ` David Laight
2019-06-06 21:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 18:43 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-07-01 20:05 ` Vineet Gupta
2019-07-02 10:46 ` Will Deacon
2019-05-31 9:41 ` David Laight
2019-05-31 11:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 18:44 ` Vineet Gupta
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