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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Julian Vetter" <julian@outer-limits.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add io_sync stubs to generic IO memcpy/memset
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 16:48:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <308d30b7-acdb-43ec-bb27-7912a5351bcc@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7779dbd-2e09-4cd3-b27c-fc285596b995@outer-limits.org>

On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, at 15:11, Julian Vetter wrote:
> On 1/27/25 11:27, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, at 11:04, Julian Vetter wrote:
>
> Thank you for your quick reply. You're right, I was just going with the
> naming used in the powerpc arch which has an io_sync define. I'm now
> wondering if we can't simply use the read{l,q}/write{l,q} functions
> (instead of the __raw_xxx version), there are already calls to __io_br
> before and__io_ar after each read (and write). But this might have
> performance implications on some architectures, depending what it
> resolves to.
>
> Otherwise I propose renaming the __pre_io_sync and __post_io_sync into a
> single __io_mbr which is called before and after each loop. Looking at 
> PowerPC and SuperH, both of them could be consolidated into the generic 
> IO memcpy code when adding this. What do you think?

Having barriers between the accesses would be very expensive, and
prevent the write-combining and prefetching that can otherwise happen
(depending on mapping flags).

I suspect that the powerpc variant got this wrong for historic
reasons, but that's hard to tell now. The ppc32 variant didn't
have barriers at all originally, it was just memcpy/memset
before it got combined with ppc64 into arch/powerpc.

> The existing ones, especially __io_br unfortunately don't resolve to the 
> right define on these architectures. The __io_ar and __io_br resolve to 
> the right mb() on SuperH and PowerPC as well, but this would again have 
> implications on other architectures.

The barriers in the sh functions seem arbitrary, and I would
expect them to be wrong.


      ARnd

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-27 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-27 10:04 Julian Vetter
2025-01-27 10:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-01-27 14:11   ` Julian Vetter
2025-01-27 15:48     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2025-01-28  8:32       ` Julian Vetter
2025-01-28  9:14         ` Arnd Bergmann

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