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Peter Anvin" , Vitaly Kuznetsov , "kvm@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "Graf (AWS), Alexander" , Ajay Kaher , Alexey Makhalov Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2025 19:23:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <01000198cf7ec03e-dfc78632-42ee-480b-8b51-3446fbb555d1-000000@email.amazonses.com> <54BCC060-1C9B-4BE4-8057-0161E816A9A3@amazon.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-sa6XTgZ6obSwduptW+6W" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.3-0ubuntu1 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by casper.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html --=-sa6XTgZ6obSwduptW+6W Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2025-09-02 at 10:49 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote: >=20 > > So even if a VMM has set the TSC frequency VM-wide with KVM_SET_TSC_KHZ > > instead of doing it the old per- vCPU way, how can it get the results f= or a > > specific VM? >=20 > I don't see any need for userspace to query per-VM support.=C2=A0 What I'= m proposing > is that KVM advertise the feature if the bare metal TSC is constant and t= he CPU > supports TSC scaling.=C2=A0 Beyond that, _KVM_ doesn't need to do anythin= g to ensure > the guest sees a constant frequency, it's userspace's responsibility to p= rovide > a sane configuration. >=20 > And strictly speaking, CPUID is per-CPU, i.e. it's architecturally legal = to set > per-vCPU frequencies and then advertise a different frequency in CPUID fo= r each > vCPU.=C2=A0 That's all but guaranteed to break guests as most/all kernels= assume that > TSC operates at the same frequency on all CPUs, but as above, that's user= space's > responsibility to not screw up. Sure, but doesn't that make this whole thing orthogonal to the original problem being solved? Because userspace still doesn't *know* the actual effective TSC frequency, whether it's scaled or not. Or are you suggesting that we add the leaf (with unscaled values) in KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID and *also* 'correct' the values if userspace does pass that leaf to its guests, as I had originally proposed? --=-sa6XTgZ6obSwduptW+6W Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCD9Aw ggSOMIIDdqADAgECAhAOmiw0ECVD4cWj5DqVrT9PMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGUxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRUwEwYDVQQKEwxEaWdpQ2VydCBJbmMxGTAXBgNVBAsTEHd3dy5kaWdpY2VydC5jb20xJDAi BgNVBAMTG0RpZ2lDZXJ0IEFzc3VyZWQgSUQgUm9vdCBDQTAeFw0yNDAxMzAwMDAwMDBaFw0zMTEx MDkyMzU5NTlaMEExCzAJBgNVBAYTAkFVMRAwDgYDVQQKEwdWZXJva2V5MSAwHgYDVQQDExdWZXJv a2V5IFNlY3VyZSBFbWFpbCBHMjCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMjvgLKj jfhCFqxYyRiW8g3cNFAvltDbK5AzcOaR7yVzVGadr4YcCVxjKrEJOgi7WEOH8rUgCNB5cTD8N/Et GfZI+LGqSv0YtNa54T9D1AWJy08ZKkWvfGGIXN9UFAPMJ6OLLH/UUEgFa+7KlrEvMUupDFGnnR06 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