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From: u3557@miso.sublimeip.com
To: "Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Amnon Shiloh" <u3557@miso.sublimeip.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:16:48 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3501c254c970c4dbd933022651622f79.squirrel@mail.sublimeip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121120183243.GA31290@redhat.com>

Hi Oleg,

> Or. Perhaps we can define TRAP_VSYSCALL and change emulate_vsyscall() to
> do
>
>
> 	if (current->ptrace && test_thread_flag(TIF_SYSCALL_TRACE))
> 		send_sigtrap(TRAP_VSYSCALL, ...);
>
> if it returns true?
>

I wish it were possible, but the vsyscall page is entered in user-mode,
where it is not possible to read either "current" or the per-thread flags.

One nice alternative, however, is to take away the execute permission from
the vsyscall page of the traced process, so it will incur a SIGSEGV (which
the ptracer can easily handle and cancel).

The drawbacks of this nice-to-have alternative are:
1) It may require a bigger patch.
2) It needs to use a separate ptrace option, because current applications
   that use PTRACE_SYSCALL (or PTRACE_SYSEMU), including "strace", will not
   be aware of this new feature, so they can be broken.

> Yes, the tracee won't report _before_ it calls the function, but perhaps
> this is enough? Amnon?

The vsyscall page was designed in order to avoid user/kernel context
switches, which is possible when a system-call is only reading kernel
global information, not modifying any.  In most cases therefore (with
a few exceptions, such as when the hardware clock is broken or
misconfigured), system-calls in the vsyscall page never invoke the kernel
at all - so no trap would be generated either before or after.

Best Regards,
Amnon.

> On 11/20, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>
>> On 11/19, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> >
>> > Is this really what we want?
>>
>> I am not sure, that is why I am asking.
>
> Yes.
>
> And,
>
>> Well yes, with the new implementation __vsyscall_page simply does
>> syscall, so I guess (say) strace will "just work". But, afaics, only
>> if vsyscall_mode == NATIVE.
>>
>> So perhaps bp in vsyscall_page still makes sense...
>
> Or. Perhaps we can define TRAP_VSYSCALL and change emulate_vsyscall() to
> do
>
>
> 	if (current->ptrace && test_thread_flag(TIF_SYSCALL_TRACE))
> 		send_sigtrap(TRAP_VSYSCALL, ...);
>
> if it returns true?
>
> This way the debugger doesn't need to play with the debug registers,
> it can use ptrace(PTRACE_SYSCALL). The tracee will report SIGTRAP after
> vsyscall, debugger can detect this case looking at info->si_code.
>
> Yes, the tracee won't report _before_ it calls the function, but perhaps
> this is enough? Amnon?
>
> Oleg.
>
>



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-20 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-09 18:29 Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-19 17:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-19 18:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-11-20 10:33       ` u3557
2012-11-20 15:48       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-20 15:55         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-11-20 18:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-20 23:16           ` u3557 [this message]
2012-11-21 14:16             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-21 17:30               ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-22 16:12                 ` vdso && cr (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check) Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-22 20:57                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-11-23  0:20                     ` vdso && cr (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-23 17:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-24 12:47                         ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-23 17:42                     ` vdso && cr (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check) Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-23  9:14                   ` arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-23 16:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-23 17:05                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-24 14:14                         ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-24 13:45                       ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-25 22:55                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-25 23:48                           ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-12-02 19:30                             ` PTRACE_SYSCALL && vsyscall (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check) Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-02 23:54                               ` u3557
2012-12-04 17:59                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-12-04 22:44                                   ` u3557
2013-01-08 17:08                                   ` Pedro Alves
2013-01-09 17:52                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-10  6:54                                       ` u3557
2013-01-12 18:12                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-14  2:31                                           ` u3557
2013-01-14 16:01                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-18  1:39                                               ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-18  5:44                                                 ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Randy Dunlap
2013-02-18 15:21                                                 ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Steven Rostedt
2013-02-18 16:33                                                   ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-18 19:49                                                     ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Steven Rostedt
2013-02-19  6:25                                                       ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-20  8:39                                                         ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Cyrill Gorcunov
2013-02-20  9:38                                                           ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-20 10:51                                                             ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Cyrill Gorcunov
2013-02-20 11:16                                                               ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-21  7:46                                                               ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-21  8:00                                                                 ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Cyrill Gorcunov
2013-02-21  8:03                                                                   ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-21  8:09                                                                     ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Cyrill Gorcunov
2013-02-21 22:18                                                                   ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Andrew Morton
2013-02-21 22:42                                                                     ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Cyrill Gorcunov
2013-02-22  1:18                                                                     ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Amnon Shiloh
2013-02-22 14:23                                                         ` prctl(PR_SET_MM) Denys Vlasenko
2012-12-05  9:29                               ` PTRACE_SYSCALL && vsyscall (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range check) Jan Kratochvil
2012-12-05 13:14                                 ` u3557
2012-11-26  9:44                   ` vdso && cr " Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-11-26 12:27                     ` Andrey Wagin
2012-11-26 12:55                       ` Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-26 14:18                         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-11-26 14:26                           ` vdso && cr (Was: arch_check_bp_in_kernelspace: fix the range Amnon Shiloh
2012-11-26 14:41                             ` vdso && cr Cyrill Gorcunov

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