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From: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
To: Ojaswin Mujoo <ojaswin@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: hch@lst.de, djwong@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	brauner@kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz,
	chandan.babu@oracle.com, martin.petersen@oracle.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, jbongio@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] fs: xfs: Support atomic write for statx
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 17:30:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36437378-de35-48dc-8b1e-b5c1370e38b0@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZcXNidyoaVJMFKYW@li-bb2b2a4c-3307-11b2-a85c-8fa5c3a69313.ibm.com>


>> +void xfs_get_atomic_write_attr(
>> +	struct xfs_inode *ip,
>> +	unsigned int *unit_min,
>> +	unsigned int *unit_max)
>> +{
>> +	xfs_extlen_t		extsz = xfs_get_extsz(ip);
>> +	struct xfs_buftarg	*target = xfs_inode_buftarg(ip);
>> +	struct block_device	*bdev = target->bt_bdev;
>> +	unsigned int		awu_min, awu_max, align;
>> +	struct request_queue	*q = bdev->bd_queue;
>> +	struct xfs_mount	*mp = ip->i_mount;
>> +
>> +	/*
>> +	 * Convert to multiples of the BLOCKSIZE (as we support a minimum
>> +	 * atomic write unit of BLOCKSIZE).
>> +	 */
>> +	awu_min = queue_atomic_write_unit_min_bytes(q);
>> +	awu_max = queue_atomic_write_unit_max_bytes(q);
>> +
>> +	awu_min &= ~mp->m_blockmask;
>> +	awu_max &= ~mp->m_blockmask;
> 
> I don't understand why we try to round down the awu_max to blocks size
> here and not just have an explicit check of (awu_max < blocksize).
We have later check for !awu_max:

if (!awu_max || !xfs_inode_atomicwrites(ip) || !align ||
...

So what we are doing is ensuring that the awu_max which the device 
reports is at least FS block size. If it is not, then we cannot support 
atomic writes.

Indeed, my NVMe drive reports awu_max  = 4K. So for XFS configured for 
64K block size, we will say that we don't support atomic writes.

> 
> I think the issue with changing the awu_max is that we are using awu_max
> to also indirectly reflect the alignment so as to ensure we don't cross
> atomic boundaries set by the hw (eg we check uint_max % atomic alignment
> == 0 in scsi). So once we change the awu_max, there's a chance that even
> if an atomic write aligns to the new awu_max it still doesn't have the
> right alignment and fails.

All these values should be powers-of-2, so rounding down should not 
affect whether we would not cross an atomic write boundary.

> 
> It works right now since eveything is power of 2 but it should cause
> issues incase we decide to remove that limitation. 

Sure, but that is a fundamental principle of this atomic write support. 
Not having powers-of-2 requirement for atomic writes will affect many 
things.

> Anyways, I think
> this implicit behavior of things working since eveything is a power of 2
> should atleast be documented in a comment, so these things are
> immediately clear.
> 
>> +
>> +	align = XFS_FSB_TO_B(mp, extsz);
>> +
>> +	if (!awu_max || !xfs_inode_atomicwrites(ip) || !align ||
>> +	    !is_power_of_2(align)) {
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but here as well, the is_power_of_2(align) is
> esentially checking if the align % uinit_max == 0 (or vice versa if
> unit_max is greater) 

yes

>so that an allocation of extsize will always align
> nicely as needed by the device.
>

I'm trying to keep things simple now.

In theory we could allow, say, align == 12 FSB, and then could say 
awu_max = 4.

The same goes for atomic write boundary in NVMe. Currently we say that 
it needs to be a power-of-2. However, it really just needs to be a 
multiple of awu_max. So if some HW did report a !power-of-2 atomic write 
boundary, we could reduce awu_max reported until to fits the power-of-2 
rule and also is cleanly divisible into atomic write boundary. But that 
is just not what HW will report (I expect). We live in a power-of-2 data 
granularity world.

> So maybe we should use the % expression explicitly so that the intention
> is immediately clear.

As mentioned, I wanted to keep it simple. In addition, it's a bit of a 
mess for the FS block allocator to work with odd sizes, like 12. And it 
does not suit RAID stripe alignment, which works in powers-of-2.

> 
>> +		*unit_min = 0;
>> +		*unit_max = 0;
>> +	} else {
>> +		if (awu_min)
>> +			*unit_min = min(awu_min, align);
> 
> How will the min() here work? If awu_min is the minumum set by the
> device, how can statx be allowed to advertise something smaller than
> that?
The idea is that is that if the awu_min reported by the device is less 
than the FS block size, then we report awu_min = FS block size. We 
already know that awu_max => FS block size, since we got this far, so 
saying that awu_min = FS block size is ok.

Otherwise it is the minimum of alignment and awu_min. I suppose that 
does not make much sense, and we should just always require awu_min = FS 
block size.

> 
> If I understand correctly, right now the way we set awu_min in scsi and
> nvme, the follwoing should usually be true for a sane device:
> 
>   awu_min <= blocks size of fs <= align
> 
>   so the min() anyways becomes redundant, but if we do assume that there
>   might be some weird devices with awu_min absurdly large (SCSI with
>   high atomic granularity) we still can't actually advertise a min
>   smaller than that of the device, or am I missing something here?

As above, I might just ensure that we can do awu_min = FS block size and 
not deal with crazy devices.

Thanks,
John


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-09 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-24 14:26 [PATCH 0/6] block atomic writes for XFS John Garry
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: iomap: Atomic write support John Garry
2024-02-02 17:25   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 11:29     ` John Garry
2024-02-13  6:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-13  8:20         ` John Garry
2024-02-15 11:08           ` John Garry
2024-02-13 18:08       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 15:20   ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2024-02-05 15:41     ` John Garry
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH 2/6] fs: Add FS_XFLAG_ATOMICWRITES flag John Garry
2024-02-02 17:57   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 12:58     ` John Garry
2024-02-13  6:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-13 17:08       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH 3/6] fs: xfs: Support FS_XFLAG_ATOMICWRITES for rtvol John Garry
2024-02-02 17:52   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-03  7:40     ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-02-05 12:51     ` John Garry
2024-02-13 17:22       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 12:19         ` John Garry
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: xfs: Support atomic write for statx John Garry
2024-02-02 18:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 13:10     ` John Garry
2024-02-13 17:37       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 12:26         ` John Garry
2024-02-09  7:00   ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-02-09 17:30     ` John Garry [this message]
2024-02-12 11:48       ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-02-12 12:05       ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] fs: xfs: iomap atomic write support John Garry
2024-02-02 18:47   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 13:36     ` John Garry
2024-02-06  1:15       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-06  9:53         ` John Garry
2024-02-07  0:06           ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-07 14:13             ` John Garry
2024-02-09  1:40               ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-09 12:47                 ` John Garry
2024-02-13 23:41                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 11:06                     ` John Garry
2024-02-14 23:03                       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-15  9:53                         ` John Garry
2024-02-13 17:50       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 12:13         ` John Garry
2024-01-24 14:26 ` [PATCH 6/6] fs: xfs: Set FMODE_CAN_ATOMIC_WRITE for FS_XFLAG_ATOMICWRITES set John Garry
2024-02-02 18:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-05 10:26     ` John Garry
2024-02-13 17:59       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14 12:36         ` John Garry
2024-02-21 17:00           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-21 17:38             ` John Garry
2024-02-24  4:18               ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-09  7:14 ` [PATCH 0/6] block atomic writes for XFS Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-02-09  9:22   ` John Garry
2024-02-12 12:06     ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2024-02-13  7:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-13 17:55   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-14  7:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-21 16:56       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-23  6:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-13 23:50   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14  7:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-13  7:45 ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-02-13  8:41   ` John Garry
2024-02-13  9:10     ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-02-13 22:49     ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 10:10       ` John Garry

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