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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: "André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: kernel-dev@igalia.com, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
	contactshashanksharma@gmail.com, amaranath.somalapuram@amd.com,
	pierre-eric.pelloux-prayer@amd.com,
	"Simon Ser" <contact@emersion.fr>,
	"Rob Clark" <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	"Pekka Paalanen" <ppaalanen@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Daniel Stone" <daniel@fooishbar.org>,
	"'Marek Olšák'" <maraeo@gmail.com>,
	"Dave Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Pierre-Loup A . Griffais" <pgriffais@valvesoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] drm: Create documentation about device resets
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 21:38:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37e78013-5ed6-e80f-4a1c-1e61bed59735@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230123202646.356592-2-andrealmeid@igalia.com>

Am 23.01.23 um 21:26 schrieb André Almeida:
> Create a document that specifies how to deal with DRM device resets for
> kernel and userspace drivers.
>
> Signed-off-by: André Almeida <andrealmeid@igalia.com>
> ---
>   Documentation/gpu/drm-reset.rst | 51 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   Documentation/gpu/index.rst     |  1 +
>   2 files changed, 52 insertions(+)
>   create mode 100644 Documentation/gpu/drm-reset.rst
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-reset.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-reset.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..0dd11a469cf9
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-reset.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@
> +================
> +DRM Device Reset
> +================
> +
> +The GPU stack is really complex and is prone to errors, from hardware bugs,
> +faulty applications and everything in the many layers in between. To recover
> +from this kind of state, sometimes is needed to reset the GPU. Unproper handling
> +of GPU resets can lead to an unstable userspace. This page describes what's the
> +expected behaviour from DRM drivers to do in those situations, from usermode
> +drivers and compositors as well.
> +
> +Robustness
> +----------
> +
> +First of all, application robust APIs, when available, should be used. This
> +allows the application to correctly recover and continue to run after a reset.
> +Apps that doesn't use this should be promptly killed when the kernel driver
> +detects that it's in broken state. Specifically guidelines for some APIs:
> +

> +- OpenGL: During a reset, KMD kill processes that haven't ARB Robustness
> +  enabled, assuming they can't recover.

This is a pretty clear NAK from my side to this approach. The KMD should 
never mess with an userspace process directly in such a way.

Instead use something like this "OpenGL: KMD signals the abortion of 
submitted commands and the UMD should then react accordingly and abort 
the application.".

> +- Vulkan: Assumes that every app is able to deal with ``VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST``,
> +  so KMD doesn't kill any. If it doesn't do it right, it's considered a broken
> +  application and UMD will deal with it.

Again, pleas remove the "KMD kill" reference.

> +
> +Kernel mode driver
> +------------------
> +
> +The KMD should be able to detect that something is wrong with the application

Please replace *should* with *must* here, this is mandatory or otherwise 
core memory management can run into deadlocks during reclaim.

Regards,
Christian.

> +and that a reset is needed to take place to recover the device (e.g. an endless
> +wait). It needs to properly track the context that is broken and mark it as
> +dead, so any other syscalls to that context should be further rejected. The
> +other contexts should be preserved when possible, avoid crashing the rest of
> +userspace. KMD can ban a file descriptor that keeps causing resets, as it's
> +likely in a broken loop.
> +
> +User mode driver
> +----------------
> +
> +During a reset, UMD should be aware that rejected syscalls indicates that the
> +context is broken and for robust apps the recovery should happen for the
> +context. Non-robust apps would be already terminated by KMD. If no new context
> +is created for some time, it is assumed that the recovery didn't work, so UMD
> +should terminate it.
> +
> +Compositors
> +-----------
> +
> +(In the long term) compositors should be robust as well to properly deal with it
> +errors. Init systems should be aware of the compositor status and reset it if is
> +broken.
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/index.rst b/Documentation/gpu/index.rst
> index b99dede9a5b1..300b2529bd39 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/index.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/index.rst
> @@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ Linux GPU Driver Developer's Guide
>      drm-mm
>      drm-kms
>      drm-kms-helpers
> +   drm-reset
>      drm-uapi
>      drm-usage-stats
>      driver-uapi


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-23 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-23 20:26 [RFC PATCH 0/1] drm: Add doc about GPU reset André Almeida
2023-01-23 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH] drm: Create documentation about device resets André Almeida
2023-01-23 20:38   ` Christian König [this message]
2023-02-07 13:30     ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-02-07 14:58       ` Michel Dänzer

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