From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org,
"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>,
Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] Buddy allocator like folio split
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:59:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39370a6a-b0d8-4591-89b5-05817dea9ce5@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHbLzkqDo7ADnwfvQsdKVqE18sUuz+98SVuk1nerW+vsE=nFSQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 18.10.24 21:44, Yang Shi wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 12:11 PM Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2024, at 14:42, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>
>>> On 09.10.24 00:37, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew and I have discussed about a different way of splitting large
>>>> folios. Instead of split one folio uniformly into the same order smaller
>>>> ones, doing buddy allocator like split can reduce the total number of
>>>> resulting folios, the amount of memory needed for multi-index xarray
>>>> split, and keep more large folios after a split. In addition, both
>>>> Hugh[1] and Ryan[2] had similar suggestions before.
>>>>
>>>> The patch is an initial implementation. It passes simple order-9 to
>>>> lower order split tests for anonymous folios and pagecache folios.
>>>> There are still a lot of TODOs to make it upstream. But I would like to gather
>>>> feedbacks before that.
>>>
>>> Interesting, but I don't see any actual users besides the debug/test interface wired up.
>>
>> Right. I am working on it now, since two potential users, anon large folios
>> and truncate, might need more sophisticated implementation to fully take
>> advantage of this new split.
>>
>> For anon large folios, this might be open to debate, if only a subset of
>> orders are enabled, I assume folio_split() can only split to smaller
>> folios with the enabled orders. For example, to get one order-0 from
>> an order-9, and only order-4 (64KB on x86) is enabled, folio_split()
>> can only split the order-9 to 16 order-0s, 31 order-4s, unless we are
>> OK with anon large folios with not enabled orders appear in the system.
>
> For anon large folios, deferred split may be a problem too. The
> deferred split is typically used to free the unmapped subpages by, for
> example, MADV_DONTNEED. But we don't know which subpages are unmapped
> without reading their _mapcount by iterating every subpages.
Yeah, and I am still hoping we can get rid of the _mapcounts.
If you know a folio is exclusive, at least synchronously during
MADV_DONTNEED you know what you can try split. Deferred would require an
rmap walk -- if it's really worth it.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-18 19:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-08 22:37 Zi Yan
2024-10-08 22:37 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] mm/huge_memory: buddy allocator like folio_split() Zi Yan
2024-10-09 9:54 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] Buddy allocator like folio split Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-09 14:21 ` Zi Yan
2024-10-18 18:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-18 19:10 ` Zi Yan
2024-10-18 19:44 ` Yang Shi
2024-10-18 19:59 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
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