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From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: "'Mala Anand'" <manand@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lse <lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>
Cc: Bill Hartner <Bill_Hartner@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RE: [Lse-tech] [RFC]  per cpu slab fix to reduce freemiss
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:31:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBB13299566@fmsmsx35.fm.intel.com> (raw)

> Furthermore I think this design does not take into consideration of
> multiprocessor issues such as cache-bouncing, cache-warmthness etc.,
> And also the original implementation of the slab cache in the Linux
> kernel did not have per cpu support (I am not sure if the paper takes
> into consideration of SMP etc., also). So this assumption needs to be
> examined in the light of SMP, NUMA etc., I would like to explore the
> possibility of changing this assumption if possible in lieu of SMP/NUMA
> cache effects.
>
> In the present design there is a limit on how many free objects are held
> in the per cpu array. So when an object is freed it might end in another
> cpu more often.  The main cost lies in memory latency than execution of
> initializing the fields.  I doubt if we get the same gain as explained in
> the paper by preserving the fields between uses on an SMP/NUMA machines.

Bonwick has a newer paper
(http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01/bonwick.html)
that describes how per cpu support can be added.  I've forgotten my Usenix
password, so I can't get the full text of the paper online at the moment.
But, if I recall correctly his magazine layer included support to
dynamically
adjust the size of the per-cpu lists.

The question becomes: Are the performance benefits high enough to justify
this extra code complexity?  Especially as tuning using /proc/slabinfo is
already available to mitigate problems that are bad enough for people to
notice.

Can you quantify the SMP/NUMA benefits?  I took some measurements a while
ago that showed that a huge percentage of slab allocations were freed by the
same cpu after a very short lifetime.  I didn't look into how often the
problems that you cite occur.

> I agree that preserving read only variables that can be used between uses
> will help performance. We still can do that by revising the assumption to
> leave the first 4 or whatever bytes needed to store the links. What do you
> think?

You'd need enough bytes to store your pointer (so "whatever" == 8 on 64-bit
architectures).  Users that care to arrange the fields of their structures
in "used together" order for better cache locality tend to put there efforts
into the first elements of a structure.  You might get less resistance to
change
if you use the tail end of the object?  But this is a potentially big
change.
Drivers can create their own slab caches, and if you change the semantics,
then
you may well break something.

-Tony

             reply	other threads:[~2002-08-01 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-01 21:31 Luck, Tony [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-01 13:31 Mala Anand
2002-08-01 13:44 ` Dipankar Sarma
2002-08-01 12:42 Mala Anand
2002-08-01 13:22 ` Dipankar Sarma
2002-07-30 16:20 Luck, Tony
2002-07-30 12:36 Mala Anand
2002-07-29 16:47 Luck, Tony
2002-07-27  2:29 Mala Anand

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