From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:43 -0500 Received: from betty.magenta-netlogic.com ([193.37.229.181]:4358 "EHLO betty.magenta-netlogic.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A71B14D.267771A@magenta-netlogic.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:18:05 +0000 From: Tony Hoyle Organization: Magenta netLogic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Marowsky-Bree CC: "Randal, Phil" , "Linux-Kernel (E-mail)" Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN In-Reply-To: <20010126173744.A5164@marowsky-bree.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > > So you also turn of PMTU and just set the MTU to 200 bytes because broken > firewalls may drop ICMP ? That doesn't affect huge numbers of websites. In the UK two of the largest ISPs - BT Internet and Freeserve - have ECN-blocking firewalls. So does theregister.co.uk for that matter. If I enable ECN I lose the ability to send emails to a huge percentage of the people on the mailing lists that run on my machine. These ISPs will *not* change simply because 1% of Linux users complain at them. They have been contacted about this and they know of the problem. I doubt they care. Firewalls dropping ICMP does not make my internet connection practically unusable. Firewalls dropping ECN does. Tony -- The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and i'm not even too sure about that one"--Dennis Huges, FBI. tmh@magenta-netlogic.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/