From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:42:32 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:42:22 -0400 Received: from idiom.com ([216.240.32.1]:60686 "EHLO idiom.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3C4974.87040108@namesys.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:25:08 -0700 From: Hans Reiser Organization: Namesys X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.4 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: directory order of files In-Reply-To: <20010629101818.A13817@rano.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > With Linux ext2, and some other systems, when you create files in a > new directory, the file system remembers their order: > > $ mkdir new > $ cd new > $ touch one two three four > $ ls -U > one two three four > > (1) Is there any standard that says a system should behave this way? > Is there any software that depends on this behaviour? Unix filesystem hierarchies are defined to be a partial ordering, not a full ordering. > > (2) Are there Linux file systems that don't work this way? Maybe > someone with a mounted writable reiserfs could do a quick check. > > Please copy replies to me as I am not subscribed. Thanks. bash-2.05# mkdir fu bash-2.05# cd fu bash-2.05# touch one two three four bash-2.05# ls -U one two four three Hans