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From: Pablo Alcaraz <pabloa@laotraesquina.com.ar>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries?
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:40:51 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC88AB3.2040707@laotraesquina.com.ar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Whatever will be the chosen solution, it would have to allow to 
overwrite all the executables and libraries files (if we have enough 
permissions).

Because:

- If I overwrite a shared library and then one running program crash, it 
will be my fault (as system administrator) or mistake.. ;-)

- It is probable that one file library is updated within one more global 
update, then probably I restart later the new demon or program. So if 
the program crash I'll fix the problem eventually.

- The previous version of a file library that I am replacing can depend 
on another file that the installer of the new version of the program 
simply erases it. For example:

a.so depends of b.so

but

a_new_version.so does not depend of b.so.

When I or an installer install the new program version, me or the 
installer erase b.so because the new version doesn't use it.

So, that it matters if a program can or can't access to the old version 
of a.so if b.so was erased?

And eventually, if I decide to update a library, I would have to do it 
(I suspect it would be the same case with executables files). It doesn't 
the matter if the change implies a fault in a running program.


It can be that this serves so that a hacker can attack the system... or 
I could hang a program when this is not my objective. Maybe a flag in 
/proc/somewhere would be am useful thing:

- if it's 1, I can overwrite all the libraries and executables files (If 
I've permission, etc.);

- if it's 0, I can not overwrite anything If it's in use.

I only want that everybody respect my right to do the wrong or stupid 
thing. This is an system administrator right :-)


Pablo



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-13 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 12:49 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-03 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-03 23:20   ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  3:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  4:19       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  8:21           ` CaT
2001-10-04  8:35             ` john slee
2001-10-04  8:45               ` CaT
2001-10-04 13:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 14:24               ` Kernel size Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-13 20:35                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-04  8:30           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Ville Herva
2001-10-04  9:46             ` Erik Andersen
2001-10-04  8:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 13:23             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 19:50           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04  9:12         ` Bloatware (was Re: Security question: "Text file busy"...) VDA
2001-10-04  5:38     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04  5:44       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 15:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 15:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 16:11               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 17:25               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 14:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 17:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 18:18                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-13 18:40                     ` Pablo Alcaraz [this message]
2001-10-13 19:05                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 18:54                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 19:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 19:46                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 21:43                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-13 22:27                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 22:50                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-15 11:24                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14  6:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 15:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 18:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:17                             ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-15 11:43                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 22:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-15 11:35                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-15 11:51                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-14 12:57                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-14 21:43                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Mark H. Wood
2001-10-04 19:28               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 16:02             ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:20               ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 17:19               ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 20:39         ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but Alan Cox
2001-10-05 16:30           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-05 16:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 17:35               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-05 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 18:51                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-10-06 19:05                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:02               ` [RFC] "Text file busy" when overwriting libraries Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 12:08                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-14 20:48                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15  1:44                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15  2:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-15 10:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 11:57                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:08                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 12:11                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:53       ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Richard Gooch
2001-10-04  6:50       ` George Greer
2001-10-04 12:54       ` John Levon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-03  2:55 Rob Landley
2001-10-03  7:07 ` Alexander Viro

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