From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:12:10 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:12:00 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:19859 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:11:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:57:00 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: CML2-2.0.4 is available Message-ID: <20020109005700.A10305@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , CML2 , kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 2.0.4: Tue Jan 8 22:55:43 EST 2002 * Rulebase and help sync with 2.4.18-pre2/2.5.2-pre10. * kxref.py can report dependency/ancestry relationships and label status now. * More autoconfigurator improvements, including --standalone option. Bug queue is empty. The compiler and interactive configurators are looking stable at this point; most of my effeort is going into improving the autoconfigurator. -- Eric S. Raymond A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Time Enough for Love" From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:44:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:44:03 -0500 Received: from 24.213.60.124.up.mi.chartermi.net ([24.213.60.124]:12939 "EHLO front2.chartermi.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:43:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: reddog83 Reply-To: reddog83@chartermi.net To: esr@thyrsus.com Subject: RE: CML2-2.0.4 is available Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:47:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org There is one thing though when a newie come's over say to Linux Kernel 2.6/3.0 and is starting out using the new CML2 system he could acidentialy hit the wroung key and all the other option's for the other Linux Kernel port's will show up and he could click on one of the and try to make a kernel that is for a x86 and he could be clicking in the IA64 port menu on acident. Do you see what I'm saying? I have done it before and I downloaded CML2 2.0.3 and I did it again From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:48:43 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:48:23 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:27539 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:48:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:33:37 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: reddog83 Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CML2-2.0.4 is available Message-ID: <20020109013337.A11149@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , reddog83 , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from reddog83@chartermi.net on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:47:39AM -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org reddog83 : > There is one thing though when a newie come's over say to Linux Kernel > 2.6/3.0 and is starting out using the new CML2 system he could acidentialy > hit the wroung key and all the other option's for the other Linux Kernel > port's will show up and he could click on one of the and try to make a kernel > that is for a x86 and he could be clicking in the IA64 port menu on acident. > Do you see what I'm saying? > I have done it before and I downloaded CML2 2.0.3 and I did it again Yes. This will happen if you happen if you toggle the suppression flag. I'm considering disabling that unless you're in expert mode. -- Eric S. Raymond Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:10:18 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:10:08 -0500 Received: from 24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net ([24.213.60.123]:40313 "EHLO front1.chartermi.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:09:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: reddog83 Reply-To: reddog83@chartermi.net To: esr@thyrsus.com Subject: Re: CML2-2.0.4 is available Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:13:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Alright I thought I would let you know though just for your information. OK. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:46 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:36 -0500 Received: from frege-d-math-north-g-west.math.ethz.ch ([129.132.145.3]:25813 "EHLO frege.math.ethz.ch") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3C02E2.4050008@debian.org> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:44:18 +0100 From: Giacomo Catenazzi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esr@thyrsus.com CC: reddog83 , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CML2-2.0.4 is available In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Eric S. Raymond wrote: > reddog83 : > >>There is one thing though when a newie come's over say to Linux Kernel >>2.6/3.0 and is starting out using the new CML2 system he could acidentialy >>hit the wroung key and all the other option's for the other Linux Kernel >>port's will show up and he could click on one of the and try to make a kernel >>that is for a x86 and he could be clicking in the IA64 port menu on acident. >>Do you see what I'm saying? >>I have done it before and I downloaded CML2 2.0.3 and I did it again >> > > Yes. This will happen if you happen if you toggle the suppression flag. > I'm considering disabling that unless you're in expert mode. Maybe better: use other keystrings. I.e. Control + key. In this way is more difficult to press the wrong key sequence, but we still have the full features in all modes. giacomo From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:28 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:34710 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:13:37 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Giacomo Catenazzi Cc: reddog83 , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CML2-2.0.4 is available Message-ID: <20020109121337.A23105@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Giacomo Catenazzi , reddog83 , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <3C3C02E2.4050008@debian.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3C02E2.4050008@debian.org>; from cate@debian.org on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:44:18AM +0100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Giacomo Catenazzi : > Maybe better: use other keystrings. I.e. Control + key. > In this way is more difficult to press the wrong key sequence, but we > still have the full features in all modes. Not a bad idea, but where possible I like to keep the ttyconfig and menuconfig commands the same -- and ttyconfig can't easily see control characters. Anyway this would just address a surface symptom. The real problem is that the deduction engine can do bad things when suppression is off. I want to fix that. -- Eric S. Raymond "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient...The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:17:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:17:26 -0500 Received: from frege-d-math-north-g-west.math.ethz.ch ([129.132.145.3]:26517 "EHLO frege.math.ethz.ch") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3D5C14.5070800@debian.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:17:08 +0100 From: Giacomo Catenazzi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011226 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esr@thyrsus.com CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CML2-2.0.4 is available In-Reply-To: <3C3C02E2.4050008@debian.org> <20020109121337.A23105@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Giacomo Catenazzi : > >>Maybe better: use other keystrings. I.e. Control + key. >>In this way is more difficult to press the wrong key sequence, but we >>still have the full features in all modes. >> > > Not a bad idea, but where possible I like to keep the ttyconfig and menuconfig > commands the same -- and ttyconfig can't easily see control characters. Debian uses the big letter. i.e. in dselect 'Q' and 'X', 'R' will force some symbols changes. Control is better because of no 'Control Caps Lock'. giacomo