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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Andreas Ferber <aferber@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: secure erasure of files?
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:33:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C6A32ED.755159F3@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0202121409150.18597-100000@mustard.heime.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202121438560.7616-100000@unicef.org.yu> <20020212165504.A5915@devcon.net>

Andreas Ferber wrote:

> I don't know if any filesystem currently relocates blocks if you
> overwrite a file, but it's certainly possible and allowed (everything
> else except the filesystem itself simply must not care where the data
> actually ends up on the disk).
> 
A log-structured fs will write new blocks everytime, afaik.
Ext3 with data journalling keeps copies of recently written data
in the journal.  Now, if you create a "secret" file and then overwrite
it you'll still find a copy in the journal until the journal wraps
It may not wrap if the next thing you do is umount/shutdown.

A secure rm must know the fs it works with.  A better solution
is to overwrite the entire partition with garbage. The only
perfect way is to destroy the magnetic surfaces though.


Helge Hafting

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-13  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-12 13:12 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-12 13:41 ` Davidovac Zoran
2002-02-12 14:03   ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-12 15:55   ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-12 19:47     ` Jan Hudec
2002-02-12 20:25       ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-13  0:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13  9:33     ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2002-02-13 18:27       ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-13  0:36 ` Tom Vier
2002-02-13  0:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-20 15:34 ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <200202121326.g1CDQct12086@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2002-02-12 13:33 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-17 21:19   ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2002-02-19 12:54     ` Jens Schmidt
2002-02-19 14:24       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-21  2:56         ` Petro
2002-02-21  3:20           ` M. Edward Borasky
2002-02-21 17:01             ` Holger Lubitz
2002-02-26  3:39             ` Petro
2002-02-12 21:14 Torrey Hoffman
2002-02-19 14:48 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-19 17:32 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-19 17:59   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-02-19 18:48     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-19 20:01       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-19 23:13 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-19 16:19 Jesse Pollard

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