From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01C2CA9EA0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AC2217F4 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=redchan.it header.i=@redchan.it header.b="tf3LktKE" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728540AbfKDL1z (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:27:55 -0500 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:54733 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726526AbfKDL1y (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:27:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1572866871; bh=IFGvj7D+NPiz5qMDunjarvwZge9dYgx2KY5Ynk4oYTI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=tf3LktKEN70ByE4Q2m4q1kbMFWSiC3LwnoIeYkvb4yEiC9HP/toMoZRtGxFqAAKGk pYcnNM8+XccDXdibJLuCg39HFx1uQNW2TQhBBb/HuFOS6VJmscMH11o6qB8VOhZQDv JrAyFLsCdBblN6FTEZeApIZOtx64C3WpTUHoInpb+kEphh4l1ZvUuuHNgEF1h9JfE3 3JlOI3XJeFgYz0v0lfJO2e+fwJog/e6pfOhudWOXqP70IHFjXgXb2DjH+ZXwG/sV5G TQO6ea/whVflcfQnsuP7yFQc65QMGlRpeJvfzOt40XNABpiyd3SYzoInE31cwNVLNd o3u/virbVUsXQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:27:47 +0000 From: gameonlinux@redchan.it To: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org Cc: legal@fsf.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)? Message-ID: <3a9f8c7d2a01114bbf80de212e5f7275@redchan.it> X-Sender: gameonlinux@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (Note: Sending here now as this the other list was for tech discussions instead) RMS: Could you share your thoughts, if any, of why no one will sue GrSecurity ("Open Source Security" (a Pennsylvania company)) for their blatant violation of section 6 of version 2 of the GNU General Public License? Both regarding their GCC plugins and their Linux-Kernel patch which is a non-separable derivative work? They distribute such under a no-redistribution agreement to paying customers (the is the only distribution they do). If the customer redistributes the derivative works they are punished. That is: GrSecurity (OSS) has created a contract to /Defeat/ the GPL and has done so successfully so far. Very successfully. The GPL is basically the BSD license now, since such as been allowed to stand. This is how businesses see the GPL. They are no longer afraid: They will simply do what GrSecurity has done. Something that was supposed to stay liberated: a security patch that helped users maintain their privacy by not being immediately rooted when using a linux kernel on a GNU system; is now non-free. With this the GPL _fails_. NO ONE has sued GrSecurity. Thus they are seen as "having it right" "correct" "we can do this". Wouldn't the FSF have standing regarding the GCC plugins atleast? Couldn't you all rally linux-kernel copyright holders to bring a joint action? References: perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/ perens.com/static/OSS_Spenger_v_Perens/0_2018cv15189/docs1/pdf/18.pdf (Page 10 onward of this brief gives a good recitation of the facts and issues