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From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <t.artem@lycos.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Ming Lin <ming.l@ssi.samsung.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	"Artem S. Tashkinov" <t.artem@mailcity.com>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, IDE-ML <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linus971@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IO errors after "block: remove bio_get_nr_vecs()"
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:43:22 +0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c353dc4883c60ee99caa4555c81b6a1@lycos.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz+sW4NjHZJP8mdLaqR8O0A8S4jVp=hT21tTjweOb1t8Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 2015-12-21 09:32, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
>> 
>> P.S. I know Linus doesn't condone PAE but I still find it more 
>> preferrable
>> than running a mixed environment with almost zero benefit in regard to
>> performance and quite obvious performance regressions related to an
>> increased number of libraries being loaded (i686 + x86_64) and 
>> slightly
>> bloated code which sometimes cannot fit in the CPU cache. Call me old
>> fashioned but I won't upgrade to x86_64 until most of the things that 
>> I run
>> locally are available for x86_64 and that won't happen any time soon.
> 
> Don't upgrade *user* land. User land doesn't use the braindamage that 
> is PAE.
> 
> Just run a 64-bit kernel. Keep all your 32-bit userland apps and 
> libraries.
> 
> Trust me, that *will* be faster. PAE works really horribly badly,
> because all your really important data structures like your inodes and
> directory cache will all be in the low 1GB even if you have 16BG of
> RAM.
> 
> Of course, I'd also like more people to run things that way just to
> get more coverage of the whole "yes, we do all the compat stuff
> correctly". So I have some other reasons to prefer people running
> 64-bit kernels with 32-bit user land. But PAE really is a disaster.
> 

In the past I happily ran an x86_64 bit kernel together with 32bit 
userland for quite some time but then I hit a wall: VirtualBox expects 
its kernel modules to have the same bitness as the application itself so 
I had to revert back to an i686 PAE setup. It's probably high time to 
try qemu however last time I looked at it a few years ago it lacked 
several crucial features I need from a VM.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-21  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-20 17:51 Linus Torvalds
2015-12-20 18:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-12-20 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-20 23:36     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 11:21     ` Dan Aloni
2015-12-20 18:44   ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-20 23:41     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:25   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:42     ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-20 23:49       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:23 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21  1:38 ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21  1:50   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21  2:18     ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21  2:25       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21  2:32     ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-21  3:21       ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21  3:36         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21  4:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21  4:43       ` Artem S. Tashkinov [this message]
2015-12-21  4:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21  5:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21  7:31             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22  4:06             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21  4:26 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21  5:10   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21  6:55 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21  7:25   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 19:35     ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 20:07       ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 21:08         ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-22  3:43           ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  3:59           ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  5:26             ` Junichi Nomura
2015-12-22  5:37               ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  5:38               ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  5:52                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22  5:55                   ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  5:59                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22  6:02                       ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 17:28               ` Jens Axboe
2015-12-22  4:45           ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22  5:10         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22  5:20         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 22:51       ` Ming Lei

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