From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <t.artem@lycos.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Ming Lin <ming.l@ssi.samsung.com>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
"Artem S. Tashkinov" <t.artem@mailcity.com>,
Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, IDE-ML <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linus971@gmail.com
Subject: Re: IO errors after "block: remove bio_get_nr_vecs()"
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:43:22 +0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c353dc4883c60ee99caa4555c81b6a1@lycos.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz+sW4NjHZJP8mdLaqR8O0A8S4jVp=hT21tTjweOb1t8Q@mail.gmail.com>
On 2015-12-21 09:32, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
>>
>> P.S. I know Linus doesn't condone PAE but I still find it more
>> preferrable
>> than running a mixed environment with almost zero benefit in regard to
>> performance and quite obvious performance regressions related to an
>> increased number of libraries being loaded (i686 + x86_64) and
>> slightly
>> bloated code which sometimes cannot fit in the CPU cache. Call me old
>> fashioned but I won't upgrade to x86_64 until most of the things that
>> I run
>> locally are available for x86_64 and that won't happen any time soon.
>
> Don't upgrade *user* land. User land doesn't use the braindamage that
> is PAE.
>
> Just run a 64-bit kernel. Keep all your 32-bit userland apps and
> libraries.
>
> Trust me, that *will* be faster. PAE works really horribly badly,
> because all your really important data structures like your inodes and
> directory cache will all be in the low 1GB even if you have 16BG of
> RAM.
>
> Of course, I'd also like more people to run things that way just to
> get more coverage of the whole "yes, we do all the compat stuff
> correctly". So I have some other reasons to prefer people running
> 64-bit kernels with 32-bit user land. But PAE really is a disaster.
>
In the past I happily ran an x86_64 bit kernel together with 32bit
userland for quite some time but then I hit a wall: VirtualBox expects
its kernel modules to have the same bitness as the application itself so
I had to revert back to an i686 PAE setup. It's probably high time to
try qemu however last time I looked at it a few years ago it lacked
several crucial features I need from a VM.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-21 4:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-20 17:51 Linus Torvalds
2015-12-20 18:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-12-20 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-20 23:36 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 11:21 ` Dan Aloni
2015-12-20 18:44 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-20 23:41 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:25 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-20 23:49 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-20 23:23 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 1:38 ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21 1:50 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 2:18 ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21 2:25 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 2:32 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-21 3:21 ` Ming Lei
2015-12-21 3:36 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 4:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21 4:43 ` Artem S. Tashkinov [this message]
2015-12-21 4:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21 7:31 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22 4:06 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 4:26 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 5:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21 6:55 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 7:25 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 19:35 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 20:07 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-21 21:08 ` Tejun Heo
2015-12-22 3:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 3:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 5:26 ` Junichi Nomura
2015-12-22 5:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 5:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 5:52 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22 5:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 5:59 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22 6:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 17:28 ` Jens Axboe
2015-12-22 4:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-12-22 5:10 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-22 5:20 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2015-12-21 22:51 ` Ming Lei
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=3c353dc4883c60ee99caa4555c81b6a1@lycos.com \
--to=t.artem@lycos.com \
--cc=axboe@fb.com \
--cc=hch@lst.de \
--cc=kent.overstreet@gmail.com \
--cc=linus971@gmail.com \
--cc=linux-ide@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=ming.l@ssi.samsung.com \
--cc=swhiteho@redhat.com \
--cc=t.artem@mailcity.com \
--cc=tj@kernel.org \
--cc=tom.leiming@gmail.com \
--cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
Powered by JetHome