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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: "Matthew Maurer" <mmaurer@google.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Dirk Behme" <dirk.behme@de.bosch.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 4/6] rust: debugfs: Support arbitrary owned backing for File
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 21:58:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c928a0e-ccd4-4ba0-9f42-9f2bb0203e75@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB0Z71SF488V.3QURUHHELOY84@kernel.org>

On 7/1/25 9:46 PM, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Tue Jul 1, 2025 at 9:21 PM CEST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 01, 2025 at 11:11:13AM -0700, Matthew Maurer wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 8:10 AM Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>          impl Firmware {
>>>>             pub fn new(&dir: debugfs::Dir, buffer: [u8]) -> impl PinInit<Self> {
>>>>                pin_init!(Self {
>>>>                   minor <- dir.create_file("minor", 1),
>>>>                   major <- dir.create_file("major", 2),
>>>>                   buffer <- dir.create_file("buffer", buffer),
>>>>                })
>>>>             }
>>>>          }
>>>>
>>>>          // This is the only allocation we need.
>>>>          let fw = KBox::pin_init(Firmware::new(...), GFP_KERNEL)?;
>>>>
>>>> With this everything is now in a single allocation and since we're using
>>>> pin-init, Dir::create_file() can safely store pointers of the corresponding data
>>>> in debugfs_create_file(), since this structure is guaranteed to be pinned in
>>>> memory.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, we can also implement *only this*, since with this my previous example
>>>> would just become this:
>>>
>>> If we implement *only* pinned files, we run into an additional problem
>>> - you can't easily extend a pinned vector. This means that you cannot
>>> have dynamically created devices unless you're willing to put every
>>> new `File` into its own `Box`, because you aren't allowed to move any
>>> of the previously allocated `File`s for a resize.
>>>
>>> Where previously you would have had
>>>
>>> ```
>>> debug_files: Vec<File>
>>> ```
>>>
>>> you would now have
>>>
>>> ```
>>> debug_files: Vec<PinBox<File<T>>>
>>> ```
>>
>> Stuffing single File instances into a Vec seems like the wrong thing to do.
>>
>> Instead you may have instances of some data structure that is created
>> dynamically in your driver that you want to expose through debugfs.
>>
>> Let's say you have (userspace) clients that can be registered arbitrarily, then
>> you want a Vec<Client>, which contains the client instances. In order to provide
>> information about the Client in debugfs you then have the client embed things as
>> discussed above.
>>
>> 	struct Client {
>> 	   id: File<ClientId>,
>> 	   data: File<ClientData>,
>> 	   ...
>> 	}
>>
>> I think that makes much more sense than keeping a Vec<Arc<Client>> *and* a
>> Vec<File> separately. Also, note that with the above, your Client instances
>> don't need to be reference counted anymore.
>>
>> I think this addresses the concerns below.
> 
> You still have the issue that `Client` now needs to be pinned and the
> vector can't be resized. But if you know that it's bounded, then we
> could just make `Pin<Vec<T>>` work as expected (not relocating the
> underlying allocation by not exposing `push`, only
> `push_within_capacity`).
> 
> We also could have a `SegmentedVec<T>` that doesn't move elements.
> Essentially it is
>      
>      enum SegmentedVec<T> {
>          Cons(Segment<T>, KBox<SegmentedVec<T>>)
>          Nul,
>      }
> 
>      struct Segment<T> {
>          elements: [T; 16]
>      }
> 
> or make the segments variable-sized and grow them accordingly.

That sounds a lot like the perfect application for XArray. :)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-01 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-27 23:18 [PATCH v8 0/6] rust: DebugFS Bindings Matthew Maurer
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 1/6] rust: debugfs: Bind DebugFS directory creation Matthew Maurer
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 2/6] rust: debugfs: Bind file creation for long-lived Display Matthew Maurer
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 3/6] rust: types: Support &'static and &'static mut ForeignOwnable Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 11:41   ` Dirk Behme
2025-07-01 11:46     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 4/6] rust: debugfs: Support arbitrary owned backing for File Matthew Maurer
2025-06-30 17:29   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-30 17:34     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-06-30 17:36       ` Matthew Maurer
2025-06-30 17:39       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-30 17:49         ` Matthew Maurer
2025-06-30 18:16           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 13:58             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-01 14:13               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 14:21                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-01 15:10                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 18:11                     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 19:21                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 19:46                         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-01 19:58                           ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-07-01 20:03                             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-01 20:09                               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-01 20:16                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 21:53                                   ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 22:26                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 20:07                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-03 10:02                     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-03 10:33                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-03 10:54                         ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-03 11:41                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-03 12:29                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-03 12:50                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-03 14:00                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-03 13:34                               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-03 14:04                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-03 13:35                               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-03 13:38                                 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-03 12:34                             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-03 12:45                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-03 11:00                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 5/6] rust: debugfs: Support format hooks Matthew Maurer
2025-06-27 23:18 ` [PATCH v8 6/6] rust: samples: Add debugfs sample Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 14:03   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-01 17:24     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 17:34       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 18:32         ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-01 19:40           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-01 10:57 ` [PATCH v8 0/6] rust: DebugFS Bindings Alice Ryhl

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