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From: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi>
Subject: Re: [resend][PATCH] Added PR_SET_PROCTITLE_AREA option for prctl()
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:33:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e8340490910121233j17ebeb85m69e18566978b5ba2@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091013031853.C744.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro
<kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Sorry for the delaying.
>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:32 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro
>> <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> It does seem like a maximum spin count should be put in there - and
>> >> maybe a timeout as well (since with FUSE etc it's possible to engineer
>> >> page faults that take arbitrarily long).
>> >> Also, it occurs to me that:
>> >
>> > makes sense.
>> > I like maximum spin rather than timeout.
>>
>> I'm worried about the scenario where process A sets its cmdline buffer
>> to point to a page which will take a _VERY_ long time to pagein (maybe
>> forever), and then process B goes to try to read its cmdline. What
>> happens now?
>
> Honestly, I don't worry about so much. if attacker want DoS attack, fork bomb is
> efficient than this way. then, attacker never use this.

Fork bombs and etc can be mitigated by resource limits; but if the
command line is placed on a page that will take a very long time to
fault, then that cannot be mitigated... But again, this DoS already
exists and isn't any easier with this patch, so I think it's a
separate issue.

>> Process A can arrange for this to happen by using a FUSE filesystem
>> that sits on a read forever. And since the first thing the admin's
>> likely to do to track down the problem is 'ps awux', this is liable to
>> be a rather nasty DoS...
>
> Probably, I haven't understand this paragraph. Why is this FUSE related issue?

Just an example of how one can create a page that will take a very
long time to fault in.

      reply	other threads:[~2009-10-12 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-09  4:50 KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-10  0:13 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-10  2:22   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-10-10  2:42     ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-10  2:57       ` Bryan Donlan
2009-10-10  6:32         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-10  6:39           ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 19:03             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-12 19:22               ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-13  0:03                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-10  7:11           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-10-12 19:03             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-12 19:33               ` Bryan Donlan [this message]

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