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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Brian Gerst" <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	"Uros Bizjak" <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	mwilck@suse.com, "Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	denis.kirjanov@suse.com, nmorey@suse.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/16] x86-64: Stack protector and percpu improvements
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 19:08:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e9d1217-edeb-4dee-ad88-971795856776@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871q7yxrgv.wl-tiwai@suse.de>

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, at 16:26, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:51:30 +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>
>> Not sure if they plan to update the kernel release beyond that,
>> or how inconvenient it would be for them to require
>> using the other compiler for future updates, so I've added
>> the developers that last touched the OpenSUSE kernel RPM
>> package to Cc here.
>
> SLE15-SP6 kernel (based on 6.4.x) is still built with gcc7, currently
> gcc 7.5, indeed.  openSUSE Leap shares the very same kernel, so it's
> with gcc 7.5, too.  Even though gcc-13 is provided as additional
> compiler package, it's not used for the kernel package build.

Ok, so for SP6 there won't be a problem because it won't
update the kernel.

> AFAIK, it's not decided yet about SP7 kernel.  But since we take a
> conservative approach for SLE, I guess SLE15-SP7 will be likely
> sticking with the old gcc, unless forced to change by some reason.

From https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=000019587, it
looks like kernel versions are historically only updated for
even numbered updates (SP2, SP4, SP6), so I guess there is a
good chance that SP7 won't upgrade either, even if that decision
is still to be made.

I would assume that if SP7 does get a new kernel, it would
not be any later than the next LTS kernel (6.12 according
to phb-crystal-ball), and we could just decide to move to
gcc-8 only after that is out.

> SLE12 is built with the old gcc 4.8, and SLE12-SP5 (based on 4.12) is
> still actively maintained, but only for a few months until October
> 2024.

Right, and it also never updated beyond linux-4.12, which still
supported gcc-4.8. gcc-4.9 only became a requirement in linux-5.9.

> The next generation of SLE is built with the latest gcc (gcc-13 for
> now).  So SLE16 will be a totally different story.
>
> openSUSE Tumbleweed always uses a bleeding edge compiler (gcc-13),
> too.

Thanks for the detailed reply!
 
      Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-25 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-22 16:52 Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/16] x86/stackprotector/32: Remove stack protector test script Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:00   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/16] x86/stackprotector/64: " Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:01   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/16] x86/boot: Disable stack protector for early boot code Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/16] x86/pvh: Use fixed_percpu_data for early boot GSBASE Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/16] x86/relocs: Handle R_X86_64_REX_GOTPCRELX relocations Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/16] objtool: Allow adding relocations to an existing section Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/16] objtool: Convert fixed location stack protector accesses Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/16] x86/stackprotector/64: Convert to normal percpu variable Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:11   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/16] x86/percpu/64: Use relative percpu offsets Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:14   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/16] x86/percpu/64: Remove fixed_percpu_data Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:14   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/16] x86/boot/64: Remove inverse relocations Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/16] x86/percpu/64: Remove INIT_PER_CPU macros Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:15   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/16] percpu: Remove PER_CPU_FIRST_SECTION Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 17:17   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/16] percpu: Remove PERCPU_VADDR() Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/16] percpu: Remove __per_cpu_load Brian Gerst
2024-03-22 16:52 ` [PATCH v4 16/16] kallsyms: Remove KALLSYMS_ABSOLUTE_PERCPU Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 11:39 ` [PATCH v4 00/16] x86-64: Stack protector and percpu improvements Uros Bizjak
2024-03-23 13:22   ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-23 16:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-23 17:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-24 19:09         ` David Laight
2024-03-25 14:51         ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-25 15:26           ` Takashi Iwai
2024-03-25 18:08             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2024-03-26  7:02               ` Uros Bizjak
2024-03-23 22:55       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-25 15:14         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2024-03-24  2:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2024-03-24  3:51     ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-24  4:05       ` Ingo Molnar
2024-03-24  5:43         ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-24 10:53           ` Ingo Molnar
2024-03-24 12:34             ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-24 18:14               ` Ingo Molnar

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