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From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v6 0/4] Split iowait into two states
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 11:31:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3efadac3-1aa0-4747-b140-3fb6f267586e@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240905093607.GB15400@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 9/5/24 10:36, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 05:18:57PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
>> To be more precise, there are two different uses of "iowait" in PM.
>>
>> One is the nr_iowait_cpu() call in menu_select() and the result of it
>> is used for two purposes: (1) select different sets of statistics
>> depending on whether or not this number is zero and (2) set a limit
>> for the idle state's exit latency that depends on this number (but
>> note that it only takes effect when the "iowait" statistics are used
>> in the first place).  Both of these are arguably questionable and it
>> is unclear to me whether or not they actually help and how much.
> 
> So this one is very dubious, it relies on tasks getting back on the CPU
> they went to sleep on -- not guaranteed at all.
> 
>> The other use is boosting CPU frequency in schedutil and intel_pstate
>> if SCHED_CPUFREQ_IOWAIT is passed to them which in turn depends on the
>> p->in_iowait value in enqueue_task_fair().
> 
> This one is fine and makes sense. At this point we know that p is going
> to run and where it is going to run.

On any even remotely realistic scenario and hardware though the boost
isn't effective until the next enqueue-dequeue-cycle, so if your above
objection is based on that, I would object here too, using your argument.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-05 10:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-19 15:39 Jens Axboe
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/core: add helpers for iowait handling Jens Axboe
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/core: change rq->nr_iowait type to atomic_long_t Jens Axboe
2024-08-20  2:14   ` Zhang Qiao
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/core: have io_schedule_prepare() return a long Jens Axboe
2024-09-05  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-19 15:39 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/core: split iowait state into two states Jens Axboe
2024-09-05 10:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-21 14:54 ` [PATCHSET v6 0/4] Split iowait " Christian Loehle
2024-08-21 15:04   ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-21 15:57     ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-24 15:34       ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-04 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-04 14:41   ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-04 14:49     ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-05  9:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-04 14:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-04 15:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-05  9:29       ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-05 10:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-09-05  9:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-05 10:31         ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2024-09-05 11:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-05 11:09             ` Christian Loehle
2025-03-31  9:02 ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-03-31 10:33   ` Christian Loehle
2025-04-01  8:21     ` Pavel Begunkov

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