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From: Stephen Satchell <satch@fluent-access.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:33:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010323113258.00b57b30@mail.fluent-access.com> (raw)

At 10:28 AM 3/23/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Ehrm, I would like to re-state that it still would be nice if
>some mechanism got introduced which enables one to set certain
>processes to "cannot be killed".
>For example: I would hate it it the UPS monitoring daemon got
>killed for obvious reasons :o)

Hey, my new flame-proof suit arrived today, so let me give it a try-out...

1)  If you have a daemon that absolutely positively has to be there, why 
not put the damn thing in "inittab" with the RESPAWN attribute?  OOM kills 
it, init notices it, init respawns it, you have your UPS monitoring daemon 
back.

2)  Why is task #1 (init) considered at all by the OOM task-killer 
code?  Sounds like a possible off-by-one bug to me.

3)  If random task-killing is such a problem, one solution is to add yet 
another word to the process table entry, something on the order of 
"oom_importance".  Off the top of my head, this 16-bit value would be 
0x4000 for "normal" processes, and would be the value at start-up.  A value 
of 0xFFFF would be the "never-kill" value, while the value of 0x0000 would 
be the equivalent of the guy who ALWAYS gives up his airplane seat.  The 
process could set this value between 0x0000 and 0xBFFF for processes 
running without root privs, the full range for root processes.  The big 
advantage here is that a daemon or major system can set the value to zero 
during start-up (to ensure being killed if there aren't enough system 
resources) and then boost the immunity once it is going strong.  I can see 
this being of particular value in windows desktops where an attempt to 
start a widget causes an out-of memory condition and THAT WIDGET is the one 
that then dies.  That would be the expected behavior.

 From a debug perspective, it means that the programmer can avoid killing 
something on his development system "by accident" by attracting all the 
task-killing lightning during initial debug.  This would be a sure-fire 
improvement over accidentally killing your debugger, for example.

I call it "nice for memory".

Satch


             reply	other threads:[~2001-03-23 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-23 19:33 Stephen Satchell [this message]
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     [not found] ` <l03130315b6e242006a4b@[192.168.239.101]>
2001-03-25 15:47   ` Jonathan Morton
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2001-03-24 23:41 Benoit Garnier
2001-03-25  5:45 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25  6:58   ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-25 14:37   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 14:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-24 10:18 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24  2:30 Andreas Franck
2001-03-24  1:38 Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24  1:11 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-23 23:15 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-23 23:17 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-24  0:13 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24  6:58   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 12:38   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 13:12   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24  1:59 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 18:29 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-23 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-24  0:46   ` Tim Wright
2001-03-24 16:48   ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-25 16:12     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-25 16:39     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 18:43 ` nick
2001-03-23 19:01   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:23     ` nick
2001-03-23 22:12     ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 23:23       ` Stephen E. Clark
2001-03-24 10:40         ` Gérard Roudier
2001-03-23 21:14 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 14:56   ` Marco Colombo
2001-03-23  9:48 Only 10 MB/sec with via 82c686b - FIXED Alan Cox
2001-03-23 17:00 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init SodaPop
2001-03-23 18:42   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 20:25     ` SodaPop
2001-03-23 20:33       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:19   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23  9:28 Heusden, Folkert van
2001-03-23  0:09 Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-23  0:27 ` Andrew Morton
2001-03-23 12:29 ` Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-23 16:24 ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-23 16:49   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 17:04     ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:35 Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-22 23:43 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27  7:58   ` Helge Hafting
     [not found] <4605B269DB001E4299157DD1569079D2809930@EXCHANGE03.plaza.ds.adp.com>
2001-03-22 16:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 18:32   ` Christian Bodmer
2001-03-23 15:08     ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-24  7:48       ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-24 10:21         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 18:19           ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-24 22:47             ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 23:35             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 18:35               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26  4:40                 ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-26  8:36                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-26 10:01                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 14:48                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 19:07               ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 20:04           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 20:59           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 22:11             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 23:36             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 14:30             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 14:13           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-24 12:42         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 15:06           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-25 14:10         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 11:08 Heusden, Folkert van
2001-03-21 23:41 Leif Sawyer
2001-03-22  0:32 ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-21 22:54 Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:11 ` Eli Carter
2001-03-21 23:40   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22  8:14   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22  9:24     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:29     ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 11:47   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:04       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 16:41     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 20:28     ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-22 21:01       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-22 21:23       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 22:00         ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 22:12           ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-03-22 22:52           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:27             ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-26 19:04                 ` James Antill
2001-03-26 20:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 20:09                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 22:21                   ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 22:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 19:57           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-22 22:10         ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 22:53           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:30             ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:43         ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-23 19:26         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 20:41           ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 21:58             ` george anzinger
2001-03-24  5:55               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 22:18             ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  2:08               ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-27 15:05       ` Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2002-03-23  0:33       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-23  1:21           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23  0:20         ` Stephen Clouse
2002-03-23  1:30           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23  1:37             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 10:48               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 14:56                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 16:43                   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  5:57                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 16:35                       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:20                   ` Tom Diehl
2001-03-23 23:56                     ` Tim Wright
2001-03-24  0:21                       ` Tom Diehl
2001-03-23  1:31     ` Michael Peddemors
2001-03-23  7:04       ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 11:28         ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 14:50           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 17:21             ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:18               ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 20:19                 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-23 23:48               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 21:11           ` José Luis Domingo López
2001-03-23 17:26     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:32       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 18:58         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:45         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 23:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-25 15:30         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 20:47         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-24  0:03       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  7:52       ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-25  0:32       ` Kurt Garloff
2001-03-25 15:02         ` Sandy Harris
2001-03-25 18:07         ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 14:53   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-22 19:24   ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 22:20   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:31   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  5:54     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24  6:55       ` Juha Saarinen
2001-03-27  8:31       ` Roger Gammans

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