From: Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM>
To: raven@themaw.net
Cc: autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:46:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40043D19.3010608@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401122356100.6362@raven.themaw.net>
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raven@themaw.net wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Waychison wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Transparency of an autofs filesystem (as I'm calling it) is the situation
>>>where, given a map
>>>
>>>/usr /man1 server:/usr/man1
>>> /man2 server:/usr/man2
>>>
>>>where the filesystem /usr contains, say a directory lib, that needs to be
>>>available while also seeing the automounted directories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I see. This requires direct mount triggers to do properly. Trying to
>>do it with some sort of passthrough to the underlying filesystem is a
>>nightmare waiting to happen..
>>
>>
>>
>
>So what are we saying here?
>
>We install triggers at /usr/man1 and /usr/man2.
>Then suppose the map had a nobrowse option.
>
>
This is a direct map. The browse / nobrowse options do not apply to
direct maps.
>Does the trigger also take care of hiding man1 and man2?
>
>
>
No. man1 and man2 appear as directories to anyone doing an lstat on
them. Traversing *into* them will cause filesystems to be mounted on
them. This appears to be similar to browsing of an indirect map at
first, however it is a different beast. With indirect maps, we are
given the right to cover up /usr to help us detects stats and traversals
into its sub-directories. With direct entries, we don't have these
leisure. Everything in /usr most be accessible at all times.
Your need for 'transparency' comes from the fact that you convert direct
maps into indirect maps, which require the covering of /usr.
>Is there some definition of these triggers?
>
>
>
This question is up in the air.
I propose using a magic filesystem, whose root dentry has a follow_link
callback defined. When somebody walks into the filesystem, the
follow_link is called, which does the mount onto a different dentry, and
then forwards the original caller to the new vfsmount/dentry pair.
HPA and Viro believe this is better done in the VFS layer directly by
using special vfsmounts without super_blocks. The path walking code
would be modified to know of these 'traps' or 'triggers' natively.
Which solution is best is left as an exercise.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-01-13 18:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-06 19:55 Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:01 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:44 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:50 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:17 ` Tim Hockin
[not found] ` <20040106221502.GA7398@hockin.org>
2004-01-06 22:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 16:19 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 17:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:13 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 22:28 ` name spaces good (was: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs) Dax Kelson
2004-01-06 22:48 ` name spaces good H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:14 ` [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Jim Carter
2004-01-07 22:55 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:00 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 15:39 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:20 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:06 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-10 5:43 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 13:07 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 16:01 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:26 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 22:50 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-12 23:28 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 1:30 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 16:28 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:58 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 1:54 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13 19:01 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-14 15:58 ` raven
2004-01-13 18:46 ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2004-01-09 20:51 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-10 5:56 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 19:41 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 23:42 ` Michael Clark
2004-01-09 20:28 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:43 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:32 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:52 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-10 6:05 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:29 ` Olivier Galibert
2004-01-08 13:20 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-08 16:23 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:35 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 13:08 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:20 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-08 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 0:48 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-06 22:28 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-06 22:47 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:53 ` Paul Raines
2004-01-07 23:14 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-07 23:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 12:52 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:31 ` viro
2004-01-09 18:43 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 19:41 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 19:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:31 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 23:34 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 23:47 ` Tim Hockin
[not found] <1b5GC-29h-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1b6CO-3v0-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-01-07 4:21 ` Andi Kleen
2004-01-07 17:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:04 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 21:11 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-07 23:40 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-01-07 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-07 23:47 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 23:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-12 16:57 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 7:39 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 19:32 trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 20:08 ` trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 21:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 22:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-01-08 22:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:37 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:52 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:16 ` Mike Waychison
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