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From: Zeno Davatz <zdavatz@gmail.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Hannes Wyss <hwyss@ywesee.com>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.6.29 runs out of memory and hangs.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:32:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40a4ed590904250132o63e715cbvaccf5aac82265cd@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0904241224001.28589@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

Dear David

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Zeno Davatz wrote:
>
>> > These types of livelocks are possible with the oom killer when a task
>> > fails to exit, one possible way to fix that is to introduce an oom killer
>> > timeout such that if a task fails to exit for a pre-defined period of
>> > time, the oom killer will choose to kill another task in the hopes of
>> > future memory freeing.  The problem with that approach, however, is that
>> > the hung task can consume an enormous amount of memory that will never be
>> > freed.
>>
>> Thanks for the hint! Is there another solution as well? Any
>> Kernel-Upgrades in the Pipeline? What does Linus think about this?
>>
>
> I had a patchset that added a timeout for oom killed tasks now that the
> entire oom killer is serialized, but it only really works well if your
> memory is so partitioned (such as with cpusets or the memory controller)
> that it actually makes sense to continue.  With global system-wide ooms
> such as yours, it would only result in a long chain of kills with no
> positive outcome.

Couldn't you start killing processes at an earlier stage? It seems to
me that the stage when processes are being killed by oom_killer is a
bit late in the game, when the machine is anyway very close to the
freezing point. I mean we had these messages of oom_kill several times
in our /var/log/kernel/current over a distributed amount of time.

Of course we now also set a roadblock to our main application
(http://ch.oddb.org) that kills the application if it uses more then
10 GB of memory.

Best
Zeno

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-25  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-24 10:09 Zeno Davatz
2009-04-24 17:17 ` David Rientjes
2009-04-24 18:13   ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-24 19:00     ` David Rientjes
2009-04-24 19:16       ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-24 19:26         ` David Rientjes
2009-04-25  8:32           ` Zeno Davatz [this message]
2009-04-26 19:55             ` David Rientjes
2009-04-27  6:33               ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-27  8:32                 ` David Rientjes
2009-04-27  8:53                   ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-27 12:03                     ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-27 13:35               ` Greg Stark
2009-04-27 13:39                 ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-27 14:07                   ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-27 14:48                 ` Zeno Davatz
2009-04-24 18:24   ` Zeno Davatz

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