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From: "Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb+git@google.com>
Cc: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PCI: Tolerate non-prefetchable 64-bit BARs in prefetchable windows
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2026 23:04:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41345c53-fea4-4f98-8569-b3dc4e84cdcb@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa0e034d-fc68-69d6-8d27-8f30d138b9be@linux.intel.com>


On Thu, 10 Sep 2026, at 19:31, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2026, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>
>> From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
>> 
>> The prefetchable vs. non-prefetchable distinction is a relic of
>> conventional PCI, to denote from which regions PCI-PCI bridges were
>> permitted to perform speculative readahead.
>> 
>> For software compatibility reasons, PCI Express inherited the Type 1
>> header and models PCIe root ports as PCI-PCI bridges. However, this
>> readahead behavior does not exist in PCIe, and so this distinction has
>> mostly become meaningless on the bridge level.
>> 
>> As per the PCIe r6.3 ECN "Removing Prefetchable Terminology", the
>> 'prefetchable' designation has been removed from the specification
>> entirely, on the basis that it is obsolete, and is being abused to
>> inform memory mapping attributes and other device/BAR level properties
>> that it was never intended for.
>> 
>> Given the limited range for non-prefetchable windows in the Type 1
>> header, and the fact that the distinction no longer exists for PCIe,
>> resource allocation performed by firmware may result in non-prefetchable
>> 64-bit BARs being allocated inside prefetchable bridge windows.
>> 
>> Linux rejects such allocations ("can't claim; no compatible bridge
>> window") when it encounters them, but will usually fail to produce an
>> alternative allocation, given that firmware wouldn't have placed them
>> there in the first place if there was sufficient space in the
>> non-prefetchable window.
>> 
>> So at the very least, let's not reject such allocations when they were
>> made by the firmware.
>> 
>> Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
>> Cc: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
>> ---
>> Link: https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/issues/13104
>> 
>>  drivers/pci/pci.c   | 3 ++-
>>  include/linux/pci.h | 4 ++--
>>  2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>> 
>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/pci.c b/drivers/pci/pci.c
>> index b2879a6be5f8..e33eb9f3a139 100644
>> --- a/drivers/pci/pci.c
>> +++ b/drivers/pci/pci.c
>> @@ -761,7 +761,8 @@ struct resource *pci_find_parent_resource(const struct pci_dev *dev,
>>  			 * not, the allocator made a mistake.
>>  			 */
>>  			if (r->flags & IORESOURCE_PREFETCH &&
>> -			    !(res->flags & IORESOURCE_PREFETCH))
>> +			    !(res->flags & IORESOURCE_PREFETCH) &&
>> +			    !pci_is_pcie(dev))
>>  				return NULL;
>>  
>>  			/*
>
> I was more thinking along the lines of always setting IORESOURCE_PREFETCH 
> for 64-bit BARs on PCIe devices but I've not had time to look at that/test 
> how many things would break as a result. ...It would seem much simpler 
> solution to differentiate PCI from PCIe while keeping the existing logic 
> without adding similar pci_is_pcie() checks everywhere.
>

I agree that the code changes would be much simpler.

However, would this impact the PCI metadata observed by all consumers,
including userspace, and drivers that may expect a certain BAR layout,
and/or base decisions about memory attributes on this?

In particular, I am concerned about non-prefetchable BARs that actually
have side effects on read, being mapped with WC (or Normal-NC on arm64)
semantics, where the interconnect may widen, combine or reorder accesses.


>> diff --git a/include/linux/pci.h b/include/linux/pci.h
>> index d31a8d107b1e..1cbb4b6c02c3 100644
>> --- a/include/linux/pci.h
>> +++ b/include/linux/pci.h
>> @@ -2684,7 +2684,7 @@ static inline void pci_vf_drivers_autoprobe(struct pci_dev *dev, bool probe) { }
>>   * need to calculate PCIe capability offset from raw device for some
>>   * reasons, please use pci_find_capability() instead.
>>   */
>> -static inline int pci_pcie_cap(struct pci_dev *dev)
>> +static inline int pci_pcie_cap(const struct pci_dev *dev)
>>  {
>>  	return dev->pcie_cap;
>>  }
>> @@ -2695,7 +2695,7 @@ static inline int pci_pcie_cap(struct pci_dev *dev)
>>   *
>>   * Returns: true if the PCI device is PCI Express capable, false otherwise.
>>   */
>> -static inline bool pci_is_pcie(struct pci_dev *dev)
>> +static inline bool pci_is_pcie(const struct pci_dev *dev)
>>  {
>>  	return pci_pcie_cap(dev);
>>  }
>> 
>
> This const conversion should be done in a separate preparatory patch (if 
> needed in the end, though IMO it wouldn't hurt to have it as const 
> anyway even if it's not necessary for the 64-bit/pref change in the end).
>

Of course. But this is just an RFC to get the discussion going, so I didn't
bother at this point.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-10 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-10 14:34 Ard Biesheuvel
2026-09-10 17:31 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-09-10 21:04   ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2026-09-11  9:27     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-09-11 10:01       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-09-11 10:14       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi

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