From: "Shem Multinymous" <multinymous@gmail.com>
To: "Vojtech Pavlik" <vojtech@suse.cz>
Cc: "Pavel Machek" <pavel@suse.cz>,
"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
"Matthew Garrett" <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
"kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Generic battery interface
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:38:13 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41840b750607280838s3678299fm8a5d2b46c5b2af06@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060728134307.GD29217@suse.cz>
On 7/28/06, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz> wrote:
> > I do not understand this. Any polling (in kernel or in userspace) will
> > wake the CPU, wasting power.
>
> The kernel, however, has all the gory details at hand, and can decide
> much better about the polling frequency, than the (hopefully) hardware
> agnostic userspace.
>
> Imagine your Zaurus: You don't need to poll very often when you are on
> the flat part of the LiIon discharge curve, you probably want more
> detailed info near the end.
Another example: on my ThinkPad, the readouts provided by the EC
change only every 2 seconds, regardless of how much you poll it.
Hence my proposal for a polling-based interface with kernel-side
caching. This way, the hardware query rate is the minimum of two
rates: what the application can use and what the kernel thinks is the
hardware's change rate.
This doesn't solve the timer interrupt (tickless kernel) issue. Sane
apps would never ask for battery updates at more than a few Hz, are we
likely to see tickless machines where this makes a difference
beyondnormal load?
Shem
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-28 15:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-27 20:06 Brown, Len
2006-07-27 20:32 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:24 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 0:27 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 0:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-28 7:42 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 12:25 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-28 13:43 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 15:38 ` Shem Multinymous [this message]
2006-07-28 15:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-28 22:10 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 23:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-29 9:48 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 10:17 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 10:30 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 10:37 ` Mark Underwood
2006-07-29 11:35 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 8:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-30 11:44 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30 11:48 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31 0:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-31 1:34 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 10:14 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:33 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 12:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-07-28 13:44 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 15:19 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 16:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-07-30 8:55 ` Greg KH
2006-07-30 9:52 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:47 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30 12:50 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 14:29 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-30 14:48 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:46 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 15:14 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 20:23 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 22:48 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 23:17 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-29 10:36 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 11:32 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 12:04 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 12:51 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 13:42 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30 9:00 ` Greg KH
2006-07-29 21:06 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 10:05 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 10:34 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 10:37 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 18:37 ` Shem Multinymous
[not found] ` <20060731113735.GA22081@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-07-31 15:18 ` [ltp] " Shem Multinymous
[not found] ` <20060731183719.GB22081@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-07-31 22:45 ` Shem Multinymous
[not found] ` <20060801114303.GA13000@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-08-02 21:59 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31 21:35 ` Jean Delvare
2006-07-31 22:34 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31 23:01 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-02 7:18 ` Jean Delvare
2006-08-02 7:46 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-08-03 11:29 ` Thomas Renninger
2006-08-03 16:33 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 22:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 22:56 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:08 ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 23:24 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 12:29 ` Jean Delvare
2006-08-02 19:51 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 9:20 ` Jean Delvare
2006-07-27 22:56 ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 23:31 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 0:35 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 10:11 ` Vojtech Pavlik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-28 4:05 Brown, Len
2006-07-28 8:22 ` Johan Vromans
2006-07-28 9:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-28 10:10 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 12:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-28 14:13 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:20 Brown, Len
2006-07-28 0:10 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 15:40 Brown, Len
2006-07-27 16:23 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 16:50 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-07-27 20:07 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 0:20 Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 14:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-27 14:39 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 14:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-27 22:42 ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 14:59 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:10 ` Shem Multinymous
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