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From: "Shem Multinymous" <multinymous@gmail.com>
To: "David Zeuthen" <davidz@redhat.com>
Cc: "Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, olpc-dev@laptop.org,
	mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, len.brown@intel.com, sfr@canb.auug.org.au,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: Battery class driver.
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:04:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41840b750610232004k46e4937emfcdff4f1aef0b30f@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1161653469.2801.91.camel@zelda.fubar.dk>

On 10/24/06, David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.com> wrote:

>  b) if the kernel ensures that the 'timestamp' file is updated last,
>     we get atomic updates

Atomic updates require either double-buffering the data (twice worse
than mere caching...) or locking away access during update (in which
case the order doesn't mater).

But yes, lack of atomicity in sysfs is a big issue. We don't seem to
have any ABI convention for providing atomic snapshots of those
dozen-small-atribute directories.


>     Notably user space can see _when_ the values from the hardware was
>     retrieved the last time


> This is a good thing, but is orthogonal to the how-do-we-poll issue.


> So.. how all this relates to hwmon I'm not sure.. looking briefly at
> Documentation/hwmon/sysfs-interface no such thing seems to be available,

Yes, hwmon ignores merrily ignores this issue, as do all other
data-through-sysfs drivers I've looked at. Except for the patched
hdaps driver in the tp_smapi package, which has a (very) rudimentary
solution via caching and a configurable in-kernel polling timer.

  Shem

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-24  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-23 18:20 David Woodhouse
2006-10-23 18:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-10-23 18:30   ` David Woodhouse
2006-10-24  3:36   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-23 18:30 ` Greg KH
2006-10-23 18:32   ` Greg KH
2006-10-23 18:50   ` David Woodhouse
2006-10-24  3:39     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-23 21:04   ` Jean Delvare
2006-10-23 22:15 ` David Zeuthen
2006-10-23 22:59   ` Greg KH
2006-10-24  1:31     ` David Zeuthen
2006-10-24  3:04       ` Shem Multinymous [this message]
2006-10-24  2:56   ` Shem Multinymous
2006-10-24  3:27     ` Matthew Garrett
2006-10-24  3:48       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-24  3:53         ` Matthew Garrett
2006-10-24  5:43           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-24 11:09           ` Shem Multinymous
2006-10-24  2:04 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-10-25 10:45 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <1161628327.19446.391.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
2006-10-23 19:18 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-23 19:58   ` Richard Hughes
2006-10-23 20:10     ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-23 20:48     ` David Woodhouse
2006-10-24  3:44       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-10-24 17:18       ` Richard Hughes
2006-10-24  3:41     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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