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From: Jim Crilly <jim@why.dont.jablowme.net>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@topspin.com>,
	Prakash Punnoor <prakashp@arcor.de>,
	Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
	linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] speeding boot process (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:38:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42116EAF.4070503@why.dont.jablowme.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1108430245.32293.16.camel@krustophenia.net>

Lee Revell said the following:
> The reason I marked by response OT is that the time from power on to
> userspace does not seem to be a big problem.  It's the amount of time
> from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long.  My
> distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time, and GDM is the
> last thing that gets run.  There is just no reason for this.  We should
> start X and initialize the display and get the login prompt up there
> ASAP, and let the system acquire the DHCP lease and start sendmail and
> apache and get the date from the NTP server *in the background while I
> am logging in*.  It's not rocket science.

That is one of the "features" that I hate most about Windows. All you really do 
is move the delays around. For instance, my Windows machine at work is joined 
to a domain and has the Novell NetWare client installed for NDS auth (don't 
ask) so when the GINA comes up, I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del, enter my password and wait 
staring at an hourglass while the GINA waits for network connectivity to come 
up so that it can authenticate me. And even if authentication was local and I 
got logged in right away, chances are good that I have mapped drives or 
printers on the network that I will have to wait for during the login process 
anyway.

I agree boot up is too slow and that some things should be started in the 
background, but not things that are required for the main purpose of the box to 
work properly, what should be started sync and what should be async is a hard 
decision IMO. Right now I use swsusp2 to work around this, it takes less time 
to resume my session + 500M of file cache than it does to boot manually and 
start all of my apps back up, but obviously that's not a real solution.

> 
> Lee
> 

Jim.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-15  3:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-11  0:40 [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release Greg KH
2005-02-11  0:52 ` Greg KH
2005-02-11  1:30   ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-02-11  6:41     ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 11:47       ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-02-11 17:06         ` Greg KH
2005-02-12  0:02           ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-02-11  1:07 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-11  1:16   ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 20:40     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-14  4:06     ` Lee Revell
2005-02-14  8:32       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14  8:51         ` Prakash Punnoor
2005-02-14 23:04           ` Lee Revell
2005-02-14 23:16             ` Greg KH
2005-02-14 23:28               ` Lee Revell
2005-02-15 15:15                 ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-02-15 20:12                   ` kernel
2005-02-14 23:21             ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-14 23:45               ` [OT] speeding boot process (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release) Lee Revell
2005-02-15  0:16                 ` Tim Bird
2005-02-15  1:17                   ` Lee Revell
2005-02-15  1:45                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-02-15  7:32                       ` Gábor Lénárt
2005-02-15  8:34                         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-15  9:27                           ` [OT] speeding boot process Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-02-15  8:55                       ` [OT] speeding boot process (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release) Helge Hafting
2005-02-15  9:33                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-02-15 13:20                           ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-15 13:28                             ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-15 13:50                             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-02-16  1:54                             ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2005-02-15  3:38                     ` Jim Crilly [this message]
2005-02-15  5:52                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-15  6:15                         ` Jim Crilly
2005-02-15  6:39                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-02-15 19:32                           ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 18:37                     ` jlnance
2005-02-17 19:18                       ` Chris Larson
2005-02-19  5:53                         ` Jim Crilly
2005-02-17 20:00                       ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-19  5:56                         ` Jim Crilly
2005-02-19 22:47                           ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-20  2:09                             ` Jim Crilly
2005-02-15  8:33                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:43             ` [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release Diego Calleja
2005-02-15 19:51               ` Lee Revell
2005-02-15 21:02                 ` Diego Calleja
2005-02-15 21:32                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-15 21:09                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-15 19:56               ` Optimizing disk-I/O [was Re: [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release] Linas Vepstas
2005-02-15 20:46                 ` Adam Goode
2005-02-15 21:11                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-02-15 21:21                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-11  3:18 ` [ANNOUNCE] hotplug-ng 001 release Bill Nottingham
2005-02-11  6:46   ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 16:19     ` Christian Bornträger
2005-02-11 17:01       ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 19:01         ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-11 19:23           ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 21:37             ` Erik van Konijnenburg
2005-02-11 21:49               ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 22:06                 ` Erik van Konijnenburg
2005-02-11 22:13                   ` Greg KH
2005-02-12  0:48                     ` Ingo Oeser
2005-02-14 22:43                       ` Greg KH
2005-02-11  9:52 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-11 17:08   ` Greg KH
2005-02-11 20:06 ` Harald Dunkel
2005-02-11 21:01   ` Greg KH
2005-02-12  8:30     ` Harald Dunkel
2005-02-14 22:36       ` Greg KH
2005-02-15  5:39         ` Harald Dunkel
2005-02-15  7:14           ` Greg KH

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