From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261472AbVFARF6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:05:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261473AbVFARF6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:05:58 -0400 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]:18344 "EHLO mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261472AbVFARFr (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:05:47 -0400 From: Joerg Schilling Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:03:23 +0200 To: schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de, dtor_core@ameritech.net Cc: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, 7eggert@gmx.de Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog Message-ID: <429DEA5B.nail7BFNJVI78@burner> References: <26A66BC731DAB741837AF6B2E29C10171E60DE@xmb-hkg-413.apac.cisco.com> <20050530093420.GB15347@hout.vanvergehaald.nl> <429B0683.nail5764GYTVC@burner> <46BE0C64-1246-4259-914B-379071712F01@mac.com> <429C4483.nail5X0215WJQ@burner> <20050531172204.GD17338@voodoo> <429DDA07.nail7BFA4XEC5@burner> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.2 8/15/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > 10 Years ago, Linux was completely unsuable with Linux /dev/sg* naming > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > and mapping conventions. After I did develop an abstraction layer that > > made Linux usable people could use stable dev= parameters across > > reboots of Linux. > > Joerg, that is the problem. It was 10 years ago. USB was not existant, > Firewire wasn't there, FC, etc. You could rely on your naming then. > But it was last millenium, now dev= parameters are anything but > stable. It just does not cut anymore, while using device node to > specify device you want to work with is natural. And I am willing to > bet if you give this oprion to users of other Unix-like OSes they > would not complain either. There is still no new and definitely stable interface that allows me to asume that it makes sense to put effort in implementing support for it. The natural way to access SCSI is the method I use, ASPI uses and FreeBSD uses..... If Linux likes to implement things differntly, they are free to do so but the Linux authors need to learn that I don't like to spend my time on somethign that might be useless next week. Also note that the fact that the Linux kernel by intention hides information I like to see from interfaces that the Linux kernel authors like me to use makes it obvious that there is no mind on a useful cooperation with me. For me it makes sense to wait until I see that this attitide did change. I am still interested in cooperation, but this needs to be done in a way that does not start with calling me a novice programmer.... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily