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From: Xose Vazquez Perez <xose.vazquez@gmail.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com
Subject: Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:37:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4392D4FD.3070402@gmail.com> (raw)

Jeff V. Merkey wrote:

> These folks have nothing new to innovate here. The memory manager and VM 
> gets revamped every other release. Exports get broken, binary only 
> module compatibility busted every rev of the kernel. I spend weeks on 
> each kernel fixing the breakage. These people don't get it, don't care, 
> and to be honest, you are wasting your time here trying to convince 
> them. It's never stable because they don't want it to be. This is how 
> they maintain control
> of this code. I have apps written for Windows in 1990 and 1998 that 
> still run on Windows XP today. Linux has no such concept of
> backwards compatiblity. Every company who has embraced it outside of 
> hardware based solutions is dying or has died. IBM is secretly
> forking it as we speak and using it to get out of paying for Unix licenses.
> As annoying as it is, accept it and live with it. These people have no 
> sense of loyalty to you or your customers. They don't even care about 
> each other.

Linux is _only_ a kernel, not a complete OS. And in a very big development
process [1].

If you want a complete OS get Fedora, openSUSE, Debian, etc. And if you need
longer life time, support, certifications get SLES or RHEL.


Btw, latest Coverity reports [2] shows things are getting better and the
main root of bugs are _drivers_ (53%), and far away filesystems(18%) and
inside net(15%).


[1] http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/x.jpg
[2] http://www.coverity.com/forms/register.php?continue[]=open_source
-- 
Romanes eunt domus

             reply	other threads:[~2005-12-04 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 239+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-04 11:37 Xose Vazquez Perez [this message]
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2005-12-06  4:18 John Kelly
2005-12-06 13:27 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 18:21   ` John Kelly
2005-12-06 22:55     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
     [not found] <1133714480.5188.62.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-12-05 10:55 ` Marcus Meissner
2005-12-03 13:56 Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 14:29 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-03 20:19   ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 21:04     ` M.
2005-12-03 21:37       ` James Courtier-Dutton
     [not found]     ` <f0cc38560512031254j3b28d579s539be721c247c10a@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-03 21:12       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 21:31         ` M.
2005-12-03 21:38           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 21:53             ` M.
2005-12-03 22:26               ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  7:56               ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                 ` <f0cc38560512040657i58cc08efqa8596c357fcea82e@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-04 15:10                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 16:11                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 16:41                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 20:08                         ` Paul Jackson
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2005-12-04 22:47                       ` Greg KH
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2005-12-04 23:12                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  1:03                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-05 19:35                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-03 21:54           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06  1:19         ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 17:55           ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 22:51     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 23:28       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 23:35       ` Chris Wright
2005-12-06  0:37         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-07 21:38           ` Nix
2005-12-04  8:07       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 20:33       ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06  1:10         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 10:46           ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 14:01           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 16:52             ` Gene Heskett
2005-12-04  3:48     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-04 11:56       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 23:24         ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  6:26           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 10:00             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 10:55             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-05 11:34               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 11:40                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-05 12:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 12:24                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-12-05 12:26                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 17:54             ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 18:57               ` John Kelly
2005-12-06 21:55                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 22:40                   ` John Kelly
2005-12-05 18:51           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 17:50             ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 14:32           ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]             ` <6f6293f10512060855p79fb5e91ke6fca33f96cb1750@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-06 17:47               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 23:27                 ` David S. Miller
2005-12-06 19:01             ` Lee Revell
2005-12-04 17:00     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-04 22:39       ` Greg KH
2005-12-05 15:17         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-05 15:44           ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-05 17:17             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-06 17:44           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 21:16             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-07 14:38             ` Massimiliano Hofer
2005-12-07 16:05               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-07 16:29                 ` Massimiliano Hofer
2005-12-05 14:48     ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 17:46       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 14:31 ` Ben Collins
2005-12-03 19:35   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 19:57     ` Lee Revell
2005-12-03 21:04       ` M.
2005-12-03 22:58       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:49         ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 21:05           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 23:00               ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 23:06                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06  0:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:00         ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:06           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06  0:43             ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 11:21               ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 15:10                 ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 16:45                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-07 11:29                   ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-07 13:54                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-08  3:29                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-08  8:29                       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-10  0:22                 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 20:35               ` Alan Cox
2005-12-05 23:03   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06  1:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 11:23       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 19:48       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06  1:56     ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-03 14:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 15:23   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 15:39     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 13:53       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-12-05  9:47       ` Michael Frank
2005-12-06  0:54         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 17:08           ` Michael Frank
2005-12-03 16:27     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 16:40       ` Otavio Salvador
2005-12-03 16:58       ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 17:13         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-03 17:17           ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 17:53             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 18:34               ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 22:27                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:34                   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-03 22:50                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04  0:20                       ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  4:46                         ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-04 15:06                           ` Michael Frank
2005-12-04 23:22                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  5:59                             ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06  0:34                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 10:34                                 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06 19:17                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 17:38                               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 14:58                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 17:59                               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 21:10                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 21:51                                   ` Kay Sievers
2005-12-10  2:16                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10  4:04                                 ` Greg KH
2005-12-05 22:47                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 23:05                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-06  3:19                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  3:32                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-06  5:49                                 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 10:51                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06  3:15                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06  3:23                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-03 22:36                   ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 22:50                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 14:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-04  1:04                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-04 12:07                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 19:29                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 20:01                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 20:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05  3:31               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 16:17                 ` Mark Lord
2005-12-05 16:28                   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 16:44                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 17:17                       ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 17:55                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 20:52                           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:21                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-05 23:09                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  0:54                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-06  1:10                                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06  1:26                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-06 18:06                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06  3:22                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  1:06                               ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 11:09                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 17:58                     ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 18:51                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-07 15:48                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 18:40                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-07 18:14                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10 13:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-10 17:05                             ` Douglas McNaught
2005-12-11  5:52                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-12  3:25                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-11  5:33                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 21:22                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 14:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 18:44                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 18:21             ` Mark Lord
2005-12-03 19:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-04  3:32                 ` Mark Lord
2005-12-03 22:21             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:29               ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 22:41                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:48                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-03 17:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 17:35         ` M.
2005-12-03 23:05         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:37           ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  0:52           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-04 12:12             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 12:32               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 13:28                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 13:35                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 14:25                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 14:50                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:08                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 15:11                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:36                           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-04 16:17                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05  3:09                               ` Joel Becker
2005-12-06 20:13                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-04 15:20                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 16:23                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 15:25                       ` Richard Knutsson
2005-12-04 15:23                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 23:51                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 20:40                         ` Matan Peled
2005-12-04 19:57             ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-04 21:35             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-05  0:43               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-05  9:06                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06  0:41                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06  9:38                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-05  3:23     ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10 19:48     ` Ryan Anderson
2005-12-03 18:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-12-03 20:59 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-03 21:13   ` Dave Jones
2005-12-03 21:18     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-03 22:40       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 23:02     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:09       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-06  0:14   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 13:20     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 13:37       ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-04 12:56 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-12-04 13:05   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:26     ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-12-05 23:43   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 19:30 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 23:25   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 11:28   ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 13:25   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 20:46     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-12 14:45 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-12 17:17   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-12 18:53     ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-13 13:17       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-14  0:09         ` Felix Oxley

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