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From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
To: Cynbe ru Taren <cynbe@muq.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FYI: RAID5 unusably unstable through 2.6.14
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:54:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43CE1E52.3030907@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1EywcM-0004Oz-IE@laurel.muq.org>

Cynbe ru Taren wrote:

>Just in case the RAID5 maintainers aren't aware of it:
>
>The current Linux kernel RAID5 implementation is just
>too fragile to be used for most of the applications
>where it would be most useful.
>
>In principle, RAID5 should allow construction of a
>disk-based store which is considerably MORE reliable
>than any individual drive.
>
>In my experience, at least, using Linux RAID5 results
>in a disk storage system which is considerably LESS
>reliable than the underlying drives.
>
>What happens repeatedly, at least in my experience over
>a variety of boxes running a variety of 2.4 and 2.6
>Linux kernel releases, is that any transient I/O problem
>results in a critical mass of RAID5 drives being marked
>'failed', 
>
What kind of "transient io error" would that be?
That is not supposed to happen regularly. . .

You do replace failed drives immediately?  Allowing
systems to run "for a while" in degraded mode is
surely a recipe for disaster.  Degraded mode
has no safety at all, it is just raid-0 with a performance
overhead added in. :-/

Having hot spares is a nice way of replacing the failed
drive quickly.

>at which point there is no longer any supported
>way of retrieving the data on the RAID5 device, even
>though the underlying drives are all fine, and the underlying
>data on those drives almost certainly intact.
>  
>
As other have showed - "mdadm" can reassemble your
broken raid - and it'll work well in those cases where
the underlying drives indeed are ok.  It will fail
spectacularly if you have a real double fault though,
but then nothing short of raid-6 can save you.


Helge Hafting


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-18 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-17 19:35 Cynbe ru Taren
2006-01-17 19:39 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-17 20:13   ` Martin Drab
2006-01-17 23:39     ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-18  2:30       ` Martin Drab
2006-02-02 20:33     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-03  0:57       ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03  1:13         ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03 15:41         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 16:13           ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03 16:38             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 17:22               ` Roger Heflin
2006-02-03 19:38                 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 17:51             ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03 19:10               ` Roger Heflin
2006-02-03 19:12                 ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03 19:41                   ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-03 19:45                     ` Martin Drab
2006-01-17 19:56 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 19:58 ` David R
2006-01-17 20:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 23:27 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-18  0:12   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-18 11:24     ` Erik Mouw
2006-01-18  0:21   ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-18  0:29     ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-18  2:10       ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-18  3:01         ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-18 16:49           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-18 16:47         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-02-02 22:10     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-08 21:58       ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-18 10:54 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2006-01-18 16:15   ` Mark Lord
2006-01-18 17:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19 15:59       ` Mark Lord
2006-01-19 16:25         ` Alan Cox
2006-02-08 14:46           ` Alan Cox
2006-01-18 23:37     ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 15:53       ` Mark Lord
2006-01-19  0:13 ` Neil Brown
2006-02-03 17:00 Salyzyn, Mark
2006-02-03 17:39 ` Martin Drab
2006-02-03 19:46 ` Phillip Susi

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