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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:10:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4400947.0Tgl7arJ6a@aspire.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFq0HGm7h_OFOwd5sRz+3_ZseNFTC-fi8c2qJVW4ZkOaHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Monday, November 20, 2017 2:42:26 PM CET Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 18 November 2017 at 15:41, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@rjwysocki.net> wrote:
> > From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
> >
> > Make the PM core handle DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED directly for
> > devices whose "noirq", "late" and "early" driver callbacks are
> > invoked directly by it.
> 
> This indicates that your target for this particular change isn't
> ACPI/PCI, but instead this aims to be a more generic solution to be
> able to optimize the resume path for devices.
> 
> Assuming, this is the case, I don't think this is good enough as I
> pointed out [1] earlier. Simply because it isn't as flexible as is
> required - to really be able cover generic cases.

I'll go back to that message, but nothing so far has been flexible enough to
cover everything you can imagine.

The case this and the next patch cover really is to allow drivers that can be
used with or without a PM domain to avoid doing any "are we suspended?" type
of checks in their callbacks.  Actually, the [6/6] is more important from that
standpoint, but this one also may play the role because of the dependencies
between devices involved in the handling of LEAVE_SUSPENDED (eg. say a PCI
parent has a child platform or I2C or similar devices without a PM domain
and what happens to the child affects the parent).

> >
> > Namely, make it skip all of the system-wide resume callbacks for
> > such devices with DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED set if they are in
> > runtime suspend during the "noirq" phase of system-wide suspend
> > (or analogous) transitions or the system transition under way is
> > a proper suspend (rather than anything related to hibernation) and
> > the device's wakeup settings are compatible with runtime PM (that
> > is, the device cannot generate wakeup signals at all or it is
> > allowed to wake up the system from sleep).
> 
> As I pointed out by submitting another patch [2], device_may_wakeup()
> doesn't really tell whether the wakeup is configured as "in-band" or
> "out-of-band". That knowledge is known by the driver and the subsystem
> layer - and for that reason I don't think the PM core shall base
> generic decisions like this on it.

The "or it is allowed to wake up the system from sleep" case may be overly
optimistic, but the remaining two (runtime-suspended devices and devices
that can't generate wakeup signals at all) are quite straightforward to me.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-22  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16  1:12 [PATCH 0/12] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 01/12] PM / core: Add NEVER_SKIP and SMART_PREPARE driver flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  5:34   ` Lukas Wunner
2017-10-16 22:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  6:28   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 22:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  7:15       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-17 15:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18  6:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16  6:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 22:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 13:26       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 20:16   ` Alan Stern
2017-10-16 22:11     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 23:17   ` [Update][PATCH v2 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19  7:33     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-20 11:11       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-20 11:35         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-20 11:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:37     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-23 20:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 02/12] PCI / PM: Use the NEVER_SKIP driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:40   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 03/12] PM: i2c-designware-platdrv: Use DPM_FLAG_SMART_PREPARE Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:57   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 04/12] PM / core: Add SMART_SUSPEND driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:01   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-24  5:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-24  8:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 05/12] PCI / PM: Drop unnecessary invocations of pcibios_pm_ops callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:06   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 06/12] PCI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 07/12] ACPI / LPSS: Consolidate runtime PM and system sleep handling Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:09   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 08/12] ACPI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 09/12] PM / mfd: intel-lpss: Use DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-31 15:09   ` Lee Jones
2017-10-31 16:28     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-01  9:28       ` Lee Jones
2017-11-01 20:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 11:08           ` Lee Jones
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 10/12] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:38   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:31 ` [PATCH 11/12] PM: i2c-designware-platdrv: Optimize power management Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-26 20:41   ` Wolfram Sang
2017-10-26 21:14     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:32 ` [PATCH 12/12] PM / core: Add AVOID_RPM driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 15:33   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 15:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 16:25       ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-16  7:08 ` [PATCH 0/12] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 21:50   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  8:36 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-17 15:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 19:41     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-17 20:12       ` Alan Stern
2017-10-17 23:07         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18  0:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 10:24         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 12:34           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 21:54             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 11:57         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 13:00           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 14:11             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 19:45               ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-18 21:48                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19  8:33                   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 17:21                     ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-19 18:04                       ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 18:11                         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 21:31                           ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-20  6:05                             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 22:12               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19 12:21                 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 18:01                   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-20  1:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-20  5:57                     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-20 20:46 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-10-21  1:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 1) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:17   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / core: Add NEVER_SKIP and SMART_PREPARE driver flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-06  8:07     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-27 22:19   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] PCI / PM: Use the NEVER_SKIP driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:22   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] PM / core: Add SMART_SUSPEND " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-06  8:09     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-06 11:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:23   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] PCI / PM: Drop unnecessary invocations of pcibios_pm_ops callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:27   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] PCI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-31 22:48     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-10-27 22:30   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] ACPI " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08  0:41   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:25     ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-10  9:09       ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-10 23:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-11  0:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-11  1:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-14 16:07           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-15  1:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-16 10:18               ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-08 13:28     ` [PATCH v2 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 20:38       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-11-08 21:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:34     ` [PATCH v2 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:37     ` [PATCH v2 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:38     ` [PATCH v2 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:39     ` [PATCH v2 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:34     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:37       ` [PATCH v3 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-16 15:10         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-16 23:07           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17  6:11             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 13:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17 13:49                 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 14:31                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17 15:57                     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 12:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:40       ` [PATCH v3 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:40       ` [PATCH v3 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:42       ` [PATCH v3 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-15  7:43         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-15 17:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:43       ` [PATCH v3 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:44       ` [PATCH v3 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:27       ` [PATCH v4 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:31         ` [PATCH v4 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-20 12:25           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-21  0:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:33         ` [PATCH v4 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:35         ` [PATCH v4 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:37         ` [PATCH v4 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:41         ` [PATCH v4 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-20 13:42           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-22  1:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2017-11-22  1:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:44         ` [PATCH v4 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki

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