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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: virtualization@lists.osdl.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Rik Van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jyothy Reddy <jreddy@vmware.com>,
	Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>, Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>,
	Ky Srinivasan <ksrinivasan@novell.com>,
	Wim Coekaerts <wim.coekaerts@oracle.com>,
	Leendert van Doorn <leendert@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH 17/24] i386 Vmi msr patch
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:32:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4416F038.90707@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200603141723.54365.ak@suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Monday 13 March 2006 19:12, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>   
>> Fairly straightforward code motion of MSR / TSC / PMC accessors
>> to the sub-arch level.  Note that rdmsr/wrmsr_safe functions are
>> not moved; Linux relies on the fault behavior here in the event
>> that certain MSRs are not supported on hardware, and combining
>> this with a VMI wrapper is overly complicated.  The instructions
>> are virtualizable with trap and emulate, not on critical code
>> paths, and only used as part of the MSR /proc device, which is
>> highly sketchy to use inside a virtual machine, but must be
>> allowed as part of the compile, since it is useful on native.
>>     
>
> I'm not aware of any MSR access being on a critical code
> path on a 32bit kernel. 
>   

There aren't really any.  There are some unexpected ones - such as 
setting SYSENTER_CS during a context switch, but only if leaving v8086 
mode, which isn't a common case.  But most importantly, the MSR 
functions were challenging to get correct, because they combine two 
novel elements - 64 bit values, as well as non-C calling conventions.  
They were actually some of the first functions I inlined, because I knew 
there would be problems, and the solutions would yield more powerful 
inlining macros.

> And I don't think it's a good idea to virtualize the TSC 
> without CPU support.
>   

We currently don't support configurations without a TSC.  But we're not 
trying to virtualize the TSC without CPU support.  It is possible.  But 
I have no idea _why_ you would want to do such a thing.

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-14 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-13 18:12 Zachary Amsden
2006-03-14 16:23 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-14 16:32   ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-03-14 17:43     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-14 18:03       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 20:21 ` Andi Kleen

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