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From: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
To: "linux-os (Dick Johnson)" <linux-os@analogic.com>
Cc: "Chase Venters" <chase.venters@clientec.com>,
	"Måns Rullgård" <mru@inprovide.com>,
	"Linux kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Wiretapping Linux?
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <446C6B8D.1080805@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0605180741350.4006@chaos.analogic.com>

linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote:

>On Thu, 18 May 2006, Helge Hafting wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Chase Venters wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Yeah, so to wrap this malware conversation up -- the most effective
>>>way to implant malicious code in Linux is to crack into developer
>>>machines and sneak the changes in.
>>>
>>>And hope that someone doesn't notice.
>>>      
>>>
>>The maintainer will.  Over and over, we see maintainers tell developers
>>to fix their patch - often the problem is something as small as
>>"bad withespace" or "stupid name for a variable".
>>
>>Now try to get a backdoor in, and see the maintainer get a fit over
>>the changes that are clearly unrelated to the problem mentioned
>>in the changelog.
>>
>>And if you succeed with the spyware anyway, then someone will notice
>>the strange packets going out.  That you cannot prevent, and it will then
>>be tracked down.  Or you get a backdoor in?  It will be found as soon as
>>it sees some use, or likely earlier with all the more or less automated
>>vulnerability chacking going on.
>>
>>Helge Haftinjg
>>    
>>
>
>Remember this back door?
>
>  
>
[attack snipped]

># exit
>logout
>Connection closed by foreign host. 
>LINUX> exit
>
>Script done on Thu 18 May 2006 07:39:27 AM EDT
>
>Early sendmail went years with the wizard back-door and the
>code wasn't obscured in any way.
>  
>
Not a linux kernel backdoor.
There sure are lots of software systems running on linux, some of them
may be easy to mess up like that.  If you worry about that, go for
sw with a good security record.  qmail for your mail, perhaps?

Also, a nice thing with these application backdoors is that not
everybody have them.  There are many mail packages to choose
from, and there are many systems with none at all even. The same applies
to almost every other app.  You probably find "bash" on just about every
linux though.

Helge Hafting

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-18 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-16 13:24 Marc Perkel
2006-05-16 13:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-16 13:56   ` Marc Perkel
2006-05-16 14:40   ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-05-16 16:14     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-16 15:05 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-16 15:55   ` Lee Revell
2006-05-16 16:12   ` Chase Venters
2006-05-16 20:29     ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-16 20:47       ` Chase Venters
2006-05-18 11:25         ` Helge Hafting
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0605180741350.4006@chaos.analogic.com>
2006-05-18 12:41             ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2006-05-18 15:29               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-16 17:09   ` Ingo Oeser
2006-05-16 17:27     ` Chase Venters
2006-05-17  0:57     ` Peter Chubb
2006-05-16 20:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-16 21:01   ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-17  4:21     ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-17  1:27 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17  8:07 Joerg Pommnitz
2006-05-17 10:24 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-17 12:02   ` Joerg Pommnitz
2006-05-17 12:16     ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-17 13:25       ` Joerg Pommnitz
2006-05-17 14:17         ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-17 18:47           ` Jan Engelhardt

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