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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<x86@kernel.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Perry Yuan <perry.yuan@amd.com>,
	Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Li RongQing <lirongqing@baidu.com>,
	"open list:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ACPI" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:AMD PSTATE DRIVER" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] x86/cpu: Add CPU type to struct cpuinfo_topology
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:03:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4476c7a5-bc48-4686-b815-3fae0838b7f9@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241022115720.GGZxeTIEqLBQwHjsiE@fat_crate.local>

On 10/22/24 04:57, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> +enum x86_topology_cpu_type get_intel_cpu_type(struct cpuinfo_x86 *c)
> +{
> +	switch (c->topo.intel_type) {
> +	case 0x20: return TOPO_CPU_TYPE_EFFICIENCY;
> +	case 0x40: return TOPO_CPU_TYPE_PERFORMANCE;
> +	}
> +	return TOPO_CPU_TYPE_UNKNOWN;
> +}

This makes me feel a _bit_ uneasy.  0x20 here really does mean "Atom
microarchitecture" and 0x40 means "Core microarchitecture".

We want to encourage folks to use this new ABI when they want to find
the fastest core to run on.  But we don't want them to use it to bind to
a CPU and then deploy Atom-specific optimizations.

We *also* don't want the in-kernel code to do be doing things like:

	if (get_intel_cpu_type() == TOPO_CPU_TYPE_EFFICIENCY)
		setup_force_cpu_bug(FOO);

That would fall over if Intel ever mixed fast and slow core types with
the same microarchitecture, which is what AMD is doing today.

Having:

	TOPO_CPU_TYPE_EFFICIENCY, and
	TOPO_CPU_TYPE_PERFORMANCE

is totally fine in generic code.  But we also need to preserve the:

	TOPO_HW_CPU_TYPE_INTEL_ATOM
	TOPO_HW_CPU_TYPE_INTEL_CORE

values also for use in vendor-specific code.

In the ABI, I think we should probably make this an explicit
power/performance interface rather than "cpu_type".  As much as I like
the human readable "performance" and "efficiency", I'm worried it won't
be flexible enough for future maniacal hardware designers.  To be 100%
clear, all the hardware designs that I know of would fit in a two-bucket
("performance" and "efficiency") scheme.  But we've got to decide
whether to commit to that forever.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-22 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-22  3:46 [PATCH v2 0/5] x86 Heterogeneous design identification Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22  3:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86/cpufeatures: Rename X86_FEATURE_FAST_CPPC to have AMD prefix Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22  3:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] x86/cpufeatures: Add feature bits for AMD heterogeneous processor Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22  3:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] x86/cpu: Enable SD_ASYM_PACKING for PKG Domain on AMD Processors Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22  9:20   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2024-10-22  3:46 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] x86/cpu: Add CPU type to struct cpuinfo_topology Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22 11:57   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-22 12:03     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-22 15:41       ` Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22 16:03     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2024-10-22 16:13       ` Mario Limonciello
2024-10-22 17:09         ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-23  3:58         ` Pawan Gupta
2024-10-23  4:40     ` Pawan Gupta
2024-10-23 15:59       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-22  3:46 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] x86/amd: Use heterogeneous core topology for identifying boost numerator Mario Limonciello

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