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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] lib/dlock-list: Scale dlock_lists_empty()
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:57:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4486fb94-a9fc-5bee-5241-e1e7558eeaa7@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C189B9DE-0845-4EC9-9D96-4815EF9E3F8B@dilger.ca>

On 11/07/2017 12:59 PM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
>> On Mon 06-11-17 10:47:08, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>>> +	/*
>>> +	 * Serialize dlist->used_lists such that a 0->1 transition is not
>>> +	 * missed by another thread checking if any of the dlock lists are
>>> +	 * used.
>>> +	 *
>>> +	 * CPU0				    CPU1
>>> +	 * dlock_list_add()                 dlock_lists_empty()
>>> +	 *   [S] atomic_inc(used_lists);
>>> +	 *       smp_mb__after_atomic();
>>> +	 *					  smp_mb__before_atomic();
>>> +	 *				      [L] atomic_read(used_lists)
>>> +	 *       list_add()
>>> +	 */
>>> +	smp_mb__before_atomic();
>>> +	return !atomic_read(&dlist->used_lists);
> Just a general kernel programming question here - I thought the whole point
> of atomics is that they are, well, atomic across all CPUs so there is no
> need for a memory barrier?  If there is a need for a memory barrier for
> each atomic access (assuming it isn't accessed under another lock, which would
> make the use of atomic types pointless, IMHO) then I'd think there is a lot
> of code in the kernel that isn't doing this properly.
>
> What am I missing here?

Atomic update and memory barrier are 2 different things. Atomic update
means other CPUs see either the value before or after the update. They
won't see anything in between. For a counter, it means we won't miss any
counts. However, not all atomic operations give an ordering guarantee.
The atomic_read() and atomic_inc() are examples that do not provide
memory ordering guarantee. See Documentation/memory-barriers.txt for
more information about it.

A CPU can perform atomic operations 1 & 2 in program order, but other
CPUs may see operation 2 first before operation 1. Here memory barrier
can be used to guarantee that other CPUs see the memory updates in
certain order.

Hope this help.
Longman

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-07 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-31 18:50 [PATCH v8 0/6] vfs: Use dlock list for SB's s_inodes list Waiman Long
2017-10-31 18:50 ` [PATCH v8 1/6] lib/dlock-list: Distributed and lock-protected lists Waiman Long
2017-10-31 21:37   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-01 18:44     ` Waiman Long
2017-11-02 17:04   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-02 17:30     ` Waiman Long
2017-11-03 13:34       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-03 14:22         ` [PATCH v3] lib/dlock-list: Scale dlock_lists_empty() Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-03 16:33           ` Waiman Long
2017-11-06 18:47             ` [PATCH v4] " Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-06 19:06               ` Waiman Long
2017-11-07 11:59               ` Jan Kara
2017-11-07 17:59                 ` Andreas Dilger
2017-11-07 18:57                   ` Waiman Long [this message]
2017-11-07 19:36                     ` James Bottomley
2017-11-08  2:08                   ` Boqun Feng
2017-11-09 17:24                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-09 17:30                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-29 15:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/6] lib/dlock-list: Distributed and lock-protected lists Davidlohr Bueso
2017-10-31 18:50 ` [PATCH v8 2/6] vfs: Remove unnecessary list_for_each_entry_safe() variants Waiman Long
2017-10-31 18:50 ` [PATCH v8 3/6] vfs: Use dlock list for superblock's inode list Waiman Long
2017-10-31 18:50 ` [PATCH v8 4/6] lib/dlock-list: Make sibling CPUs share the same linked list Waiman Long
2017-11-01  8:38   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-31 18:50 ` [PATCH v8 5/6] lib/dlock-list: Enable faster lookup with hashing Waiman Long
2017-11-01  8:40   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 13:16     ` Waiman Long
2017-10-31 18:51 ` [PATCH v8 6/6] lib/dlock-list: Add an IRQ-safe mode to be used in interrupt handler Waiman Long
2017-10-31 21:29   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-29 15:26 ` [PATCH v8 0/6] vfs: Use dlock list for SB's s_inodes list Davidlohr Bueso
2017-11-29 15:31   ` Waiman Long
2018-02-26  2:47 ` Dave Chinner
2018-02-26  4:05   ` Waiman Long

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