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From: Martin Peschke <mp3@de.ibm.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 0/5] I/O statistics through request queues
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:04:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <453E9C18.70803@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061024162050.GK4281@kernel.dk>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24 2006, Martin Peschke wrote:
>> Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>> Our tests indicate that the blktrace approach is fine for performance
>>>> analysis as long as the system to be analysed isn't too busy.
>>>> But once the system faces a consirable amount of non-sequential I/O
>>>> workload, the plenty of blktrace-generated data starts to get painful.
>>> Why haven't you done an analysis and posted it here? I surely cannot fix
>>> what nobody tells me is broken or suboptimal.
>> Fair enough. We have tried out the silly way of blktrace-ing, storing
>> data locally. So, it's probably not worthwhile discussing that.
> 
> You'd probably never want to do local traces for performance analysis.
> It may be handy for other purposes, though.

"...probably not worthwhile discussing that" in the context of performance
analysis.

>>> I have to say it's news to
>>> me that it's performance intensive, tests I did with Alan Brunelle a
>>> year or so ago showed it to be quite low impact.
>> I found some discussions on linux-btrace (Feburary 2006).
>> There is little information on how the alleged 2 percent impact has
>> been determined. Test cases seem to comprise formatting disks ...hmm.
> 
> It may sound strange, but formatting a large drive generates a huge
> flood of block layer events from lots of io queued and merged. So it's
> not a bad benchmark for this type of thing. And it's easy to test :-)

Just wondering to what degree this might resemble I/O workloads run
by customers in their data centers.

>>> You'd be silly to locally store traces, send them out over the network.
>> Will try this next and post complaints, if any, along with numbers.
> 
> Thanks! Also note that you do not need to log every event, just register
> a mask of interesting ones to decrease the output logging rate. We could
> so with some better setup for that though, but at least you should be
> able to filter out some unwanted events.

...and consequently try to scale down relay buffers, reducing the risk of
memory constraints caused by blktrace activation.

>> However, a fast network connection plus a second system for blktrace
>> data processing are serious requirements. Think of servers secured
>> by firewalls. Reading some counters in debugfs, sysfs or whatever
>> might be more appropriate for some one who has noticed an unexpected
>> I/O slowdown and needs directions for further investigation.
> 
> It's hard to make something that will suit everybody. Maintaining some
> counters in sysfs is of course less expensive when your POV is cpu
> cycles.

Counters are also cheaper with regard to memory consumption. Counters
are probably cause less side effects, but are less flexible than
full-blown traces.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-24 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-21 12:57 Martin Peschke
2006-10-23 11:37 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-23 18:11   ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-23 20:02     ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-24 16:02       ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-24 16:20         ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-24 20:38           ` Phillip Susi
2006-10-24 22:27             ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-25 17:50               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-26 11:07                 ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-26 12:13                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-26 13:37                     ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-26 14:02                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-26 15:36                         ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-26 19:11                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-24 23:04           ` Martin Peschke [this message]
2006-10-25  5:12             ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-25 10:32               ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-25 10:42                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-02 14:39                   ` martin
2006-11-02 14:46                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-23 18:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-10-24 16:05   ` Martin Peschke
2006-10-24 20:44     ` Phillip Susi
2006-10-24 22:49       ` Martin Peschke

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