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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: deadlock in "modprobe -r ohci1394" shortly after "modprobe ohci1394"
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:05:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4562B35C.7090807@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0611201942270.30952-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

Alan Stern wrote:
> The real issue here is the way ieee1394 sets up children of devices with
> no driver.  On the face of it that is quite illogical: If a device has no
> driver, then who can interrogate it to find out about its children?

Perhaps I should turn this dummy driver into an actual representation of
ieee1394 or ieee1394's nodemgr.

> USB faces a similar situation.  In a USB device, all the real work is 
> actually done by "interfaces".  So we set up a device structure for the 
> USB device itself, plus device structures for each of its interfaces.  The 
> parent structure is bound to a (more or less) dummy driver, which insures 
> that the child structures are deleted whenever it gets unbound.

I will eventually more thoroughly look at how USB and other subsystems
with device hierarchies do it.

> Still, maybe some compromise can be reached.  Perhaps Dmitry's idea, or 
> something like it, can be adopted.

Thanks for the input of both of you.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-=-==- =-== =-=-=
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-21  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-19  0:12 Stefan Richter
2006-11-19 14:23 ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-19 19:54   ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:55     ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-20 19:31       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:45         ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-20 21:28           ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21  0:21             ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-21  0:49               ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21  8:05                 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2006-11-21 21:50                   ` [PATCH] ieee1394: nodemgr: fix deadlock in shutdown Stefan Richter
2006-11-22  2:02                     ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 20:09                       ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-20  3:41     ` deadlock in "modprobe -r ohci1394" shortly after "modprobe ohci1394" Dmitry Torokhov
2006-11-20 19:18       ` Alan Stern

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