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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: "Björn Steinbrink" <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu, yi.zhu@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org,
	venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com, trenn@suse.de
Subject: Re: Increased ipw2200 power usage with dynticks
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:43:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46532BC1.6010808@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070521074938.GA15678@atjola.homenet>

Björn Steinbrink wrote:
> On 2007.05.20 20:55:35 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> Björn Steinbrink <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de> writes:
>>> Ok, it seems that ipw2200 is just a trigger for the problem here. AFAICT
>>> the cause of the worse C state usage is that after ipw2200 has woken the
>>> cpu, acpi_processor_idle() chooses C2 (due to dma? bm? I have no
>>> idea...) as the prefered sleep state. Now without NO_HZ or when I hold
>>> down a key, there are interrupts that wake up the CPU and when
>>> acpi_processor_idle() is called again the promotion to C3/C4 happens.
>>> But with NO_HZ, there are no such interrupts, most wakeups are caused by
>>> ipw2200 and so the processor doesn't go any deeper than C2 most of the
>>> time and thus wastes lots of power.
>> The cpuidle governour code Venki is working on is supposed to address this.
>> There have been also earlier prototype patches by Adam Belay and
>> Thomas Renninger.
> 
> Venki (at least I think it was him) also told me about cpuidle and the
> menu governor on #powertop. Unfortunately, cpuidle seems to be gone from
> acpi-test (or I'm simply still too stupid for git/gitweb). I manually
> added the cpuidle and menu governor patches on top of my 2.6.22-rc1-hrt8
> kernel, but that broke C-state duration accounting.
> 
> On the bright side of things is power usage though, which is down to an
> incredible 13.9W in idle+ipw2200 :)
> 
Very encouraging, hopefully that can get into mainline soon, as power 
usage is an issue with laptops. Until then, it sounds as if dynticks is 
a negative power save for ipw2200 (and probably many other things).

Dare we hope that this will allow use of USB on laptops without draining 
the battery?

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot


      parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-22 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-18 15:46 Björn Steinbrink
2007-05-19 17:10 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-05-20 18:55   ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-21  7:49     ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-05-21 17:24       ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2007-05-22  9:23         ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-22 18:00           ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2007-05-23 12:15             ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-22 17:43       ` Bill Davidsen [this message]

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